From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18438 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2021 23:09:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Nov 2021 23:09:36 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C38479CA40; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:09:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719319CA36; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:06:27 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=utah.edu header.i=@utah.edu header.b="Yxp8JrkD"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 44B8D9CA36; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:06:24 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 426 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:06:20 AEST Received: from ipo9.cc.utah.edu (ipo9.cc.utah.edu [155.97.144.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A2C49C2A1 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:06:20 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=utah.edu; i=@utah.edu; q=dns/txt; s=UniversityOfUtah; t=1637276781; x=1668812781; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; bh=YLpLrpRzUrVcHhiJRr40cwJIE4drTO2Ih+2ztK7FDnY=; b=Yxp8JrkDBeVxmV52NPBzcf1vr/XtLKw4a1ff5mSoIE01EIjFjUD9hzFw EHHIRsqj/6ShgWLdBDjr/GpJCEnnao2xCEHUblY7v0GBxDzksRFr967V+ AicErudkASSJsbwTWzf0csnJOpIvbK/9qjPIEm9Ha0+VSLmBfLlTdFJ6J GSZR0izc4aNiO+sDcfT1EA5EyvpsfX9rdxelNirOo2B92nKH1ehLB7Pt9 ishd0eSyCgpycmL1I/OUpHa8bZHr/UFsuqQ1Hk+YxINlAUW7/frXblmc2 q4eup/8gjKzTenELyMbalaAD3uNy9iQ6QeTHFhC2/wx9wlE27xg1IfiCE g==; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6200,9189,10172"; a="362876393" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.87,246,1631599200"; d="scan'208";a="362876393" Received: from mail.math.utah.edu ([155.101.98.135]) by ipo9smtp.cc.utah.edu with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 18 Nov 2021 15:59:12 -0700 Received: from gamma.math.utah.edu (gamma.math.utah.edu [155.101.96.20]) by mail.math.utah.edu (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 1AIMxAUF004998; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from gamma.math.utah.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gamma.math.utah.edu (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id 1AIMxAu4009249; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:59:10 -0700 Received: (from beebe@localhost) by gamma.math.utah.edu (8.15.1/8.15.1/Submit) id 1AIMxAqM009248; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:59:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:59:10 -0700 From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-US-Mail: "Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Message-ID: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.8 (mail.math.utah.edu [155.101.98.135]); Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:59:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation [ reallly inscrutable languages ] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" The discussions under this subject line have somewhat strayed from Unix heritage issues, but because several people have contributed views of assorted programming languages that mostly grew up on Unix-family systems, I decided to add this memory. Several years ago, I attended a talk by Dan McCracken (1930--2011), noted book author in computer areas, and VP and later President of the ACM (1978--1980). His talk was about programming languages, and was done in a question/answer format, with Dan offering both parts. He began: Q: In 10 years, which of the following programming languages will still be in use: Basic, Cobol, Fortran, PL/I, .... A: First of all, Basic is not a programming language. Then ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------