All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix documentation. My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not so good to capture and search metadata. Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have recommendations? Cheers, Warren
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 12:02:30PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have
> recommendations?
Argh, bitsavers too, sorry Al, I forgot!
Warren
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 747 bytes --] > On Sep 27, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote: > > All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix documentation. > My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not so good to > capture and search metadata. > > Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have > recommendations? I know Jason Scott at archive.org <http://archive.org/> and I trust him. Bitsavers is also, obviously, known to be good. I don’t know who’s behind gunkies but it seems like they have good stuff. I would say: it’s not YOUR job to organize the metadata, it’s the search engines’. Just hosting the docs and making them available for index is probably a lot of the battle. Adam [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1508 bytes --]
I like bitsavers. Gunikes is a wiki, maybe not appropriate for uploading documents?
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 879 bytes --] Gunkies.org is a wiki that is really good for pointing to stuff, and things like tutorials, indexes and other non original stuff. Archive.org is a great dumping ground for stuff, although it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. I'm not an admin on gunkies.org but I do get my email at least answered, so if you have no luck trying to create an account I'll bug the owner to make it happen. When I had more spare time I tried to seed gunkies with as much as I could. Get Outlook for Android On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:03 AM +0900, "Warren Toomey" <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote: All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix documentation. My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not so good to capture and search metadata. Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have recommendations? Cheers, Warren [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2058 bytes --]
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 617 bytes --] El sáb., 28 sept. 2019 4:03, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> escribió: > > Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have > recommendations? > I use archive.org *a lot* of times in relation with a wide number of topics. Iam very happy with the results but I must admit that it's huge and sometimes a bit confused. On the other hand a diverse kind of files can be stored, mostly multimedia and pdf/ps/text. I think binary files too but not as EXE. ISO images or similar are more usual. Cordiales saludos / Best Regards / Salutations / Freundliche Grüße ----- Sergio Pedraja > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1505 bytes --]
> From: Warren Toomey > All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix > documentation. My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not > so good to capture and search metadata. > Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer documentation. The CHWiki (gunkies.org) isn't really the best place to put original documentation, but that's where I'd recommend putting meta-data. As for searching meta-data, are you speaking of something more powerful than Google? Noel PS: Speaking of old Unix documentation, I recently acquired a paper copy of the PDP-11 V6 Unix manual. Is that something I should scan? I don't know if you already have it (I know where to find sources in the archives, but I don't know where documentation scans live.)
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 689 bytes --] On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 2:53:52 PM EDT, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > PS: Speaking of old Unix documentation, I recently acquired a paper copy of the > PDP-11 V6 Unix manual. Is that something I should scan? I don't know if you > already have it (I know where to find sources in the archives, but I don't > know where documentation scans live.) I was looking for a copy of that for my exhibit at VCF southeast this year, but I never could find a complete copy. There's a mostly complete scan on archive.org, but there are some bits missing. I'd have to do a little digging to say just which bits, though. (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.) BLS [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 813 bytes --]
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1238 bytes --] On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:54 PM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: Warren Toomey > > > All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix > > documentation. My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's > not > > so good to capture and search metadata. > > Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else > > BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer > documentation. > I agree +1 BitSavers, but Warren you should keep your stuff. One-stop shopping for UNIX archives is a good thing. > > The CHWiki (gunkies.org) isn't really the best place to put original > documentation, > but that's where I'd recommend putting meta-data. As for searching > meta-data, are > you speaking of something more powerful than Google? > > Noel > > PS: Speaking of old Unix documentation, I recently acquired a paper copy > of the > PDP-11 V6 Unix manual. Is that something I should scan? I don't know if you > already have it (I know where to find sources in the archives, but I don't > know where documentation scans live.) > What I personally have is impure, and I have not seen a complete one elsewhere, so if you have a real manual, that is a good thing IMHO. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2180 bytes --]
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:53:20PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer documentation.
Looks like BitSavers is the recommendation. Can someone point me at the
docs that outline the procedure to get documents to Al (others as well?) for
consideration.
I might put things in both bitsavers.org and archive.org.
Cheers, Warren
> From: "Brian L. Stuart" > (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.) Err, TMG(VI) is 1/2 page long. Is that really what you were looking for? (I _did_ specify the 'UPM'.) I do happen to have the V6-era TMG _manual_, if that's what you're looking for. Noel
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019, Warren Toomey wrote:
> I might put things in both bitsavers.org and archive.org.
A bit of redundancy won't hurt...
-- Dave
I really would suggest first and foremost just getting stuff scanned. Archive.org does pull from bitsavers ( according to Jason when I talked to him ) so posting there should hit both. Redundancy is good. So keeping it on your site as well doesn’t hurt. And having TUHS as a place to look at to start makes a lot of sense to me.
Earl
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> On Sep 29, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:53:20PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer documentation.
>
> Looks like BitSavers is the recommendation. Can someone point me at the
> docs that outline the procedure to get documents to Al (others as well?) for
> consideration.
>
> I might put things in both bitsavers.org and archive.org.
>
> Cheers, Warren
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 673 bytes --] On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 5:54:24 PM EDT, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: "Brian L. Stuart" > > (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.) > > Err, TMG(VI) is 1/2 page long. Is that really what you were looking for? > (I _did_ specify the 'UPM'.) My bad. I missed that part. Wishful thinking had me thinking it included the docs as well as the man pages. > I do happen to have the V6-era TMG _manual_, if that's what you're looking > for. It's one of the items I haven't yet found from the 6th ed docs. The M6 manual is another one that I didn't find. So far, I haven't found a scan of the docs that WE shipped with the tape. BLS [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 856 bytes --]
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 912 bytes --] On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 6:12 PM Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 5:54:24 PM EDT, Noel Chiappa < > jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > > From: "Brian L. Stuart" > > > (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.) > > > > Err, TMG(VI) is 1/2 page long. Is that really what you were looking for? > > (I _did_ specify the 'UPM'.) > > My bad. I missed that part. Wishful thinking had me > thinking it included the docs as well as the man pages. > > > I do happen to have the V6-era TMG _manual_, if that's what you're > looking > > for. > > It's one of the items I haven't yet found from the 6th ed > docs. > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/1972_stuff/tmg.pdf has an earlier version. The M6 manual is another one that I didn't find. > So far, I haven't found a scan of the docs > Ebay number 113713199572 might be of interest. Warner BLS > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2089 bytes --]
> From: Warner Losh > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/1972_stuff/tmg.pdf > has an earlier version. That's the exact same as the one I have. > From: "Brian L. Stuart" > The M6 manual is another one that I didn't find. Got that too (it's by Andrew Hall). Noel
On 9/29/19 2:34 PM, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Can someone point me at the
> docs that outline the procedure to get documents to Al
There is no documentation, just an email adr on the bottom of the main page
I can email you ftp upload info