From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 921ebd13 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 23:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2CB479BD86; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:28:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AD59BD1C; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:28:04 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="Bnw21tgF"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 81FDE9BD1C; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:28:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f177.google.com (mail-qt1-f177.google.com [209.85.160.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3D779BA1C for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:28:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f177.google.com with SMTP id x4so9371302qtq.8 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:28:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OOvsMBxRWe/51EHFxYQq7JeLrzAV90vFUQoRnHRWmpQ=; b=Bnw21tgFgfVdbDxyl7lxOy8JuMtGTFJl9ijndbqLwT0xN+n3mx7POhKf4aMEIrSzpg Ub70Zbc03G0NVqQOl6hjZQiTtinokEJFalIsQJNGZ6qJf0jRM7PG5AC9ij0jyse7m0Db av5JZ5X+9y4t03ptc6cGFhHHB07vga+JY7Z9w= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OOvsMBxRWe/51EHFxYQq7JeLrzAV90vFUQoRnHRWmpQ=; b=kc8ZqB1pyk8AyINDS4ppsAClojkAi7CONB06/Y9RjCsWHUeqzT4OmlNIaZAVdohOTp MdS05xBMVnqEFYFdoLIbtIXPGT7uPEJZpfrm+gtlappMDSYccBvT5mbGU+nXW8V4J3rN EZ1fUFZ5KyF4/qI4s6RqO86ANL64S/SB7kFG16Y0gfHQH5ld8zp3WhpN38cm15pllv+Y Wrrbj0Xxrs5JJgI/I4tYpF0de+8AOKAemulfj+rv7IjlywILr6r43f2lN77be1USJFly 3odJ3K99SL81OQh6LenDCAIWlBUV0UgEgjvuQreacUCFXdYDbl/p5GDJiA7AkoBIzF8u a8Cw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU/oRdWjE+uRmlNKXKsYGG5BJDGpUvopfEErUnMEv3l2EUyvWP/ rRhfGnkbi6EtbAaRhNvcIPSi8Ri/KK3LOw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyk3Bn0xfgvbbUfcWNTfREiab2Fe0kRbRiQmoVvC8DzoUcK+vzuDqTEavfO3LopcKaxkyeaOQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3fd2:: with SMTP id v18mr14648523qtk.73.1568590079557; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.127.106] (pool-173-48-42-254.bstnma.fios.verizon.net. [173.48.42.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l185sm11372162qkd.20.2019.09.15.16.27.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Clem cole X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G102) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:27:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Dave Horsfall Subject: Re: [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Actually the thing that some (maybe many) of the folks you mentioned seem to= have the hardest time accepting the Linux is just the modern implementation= of Unix. which i think is sad. I think Linux is a wonderful piece of work= but the developers do need to recognize we=E2=80=99re it came.=20 There is a famous line which I wish I knew who said that to paraphrase becom= es: =E2=80=9CIn science we stand on the shoulders of the great people that c= ame before us, but in computer science we try to step on their toes.=E2=80=9D= Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.= =20 > On Sep 15, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: >=20 >> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019, Clem Cole wrote: >>=20 >> And this is the biggest issue. And I have observed (maybe I'm wrong - bu= t it seems to me ...) that the people that I know today, that dislike Peter'= s work dislike that Linux is not huge part of it. Or more importantly that= it was the emergence of the Internet and UNIX that were enablers for Linux.= As Jon has suggested, it should not be Gnu/Linux but rather Internet/Linu= x. >=20 > Indeed, and not a few Linux users hate it being pointed out that Unix was f= irst. If it was not for Unix, we would not have Linux (because you had > to pay for Unix). >=20 > And my pet theory is that if it was not for Unix, we would all be running > some version of Windoze, and loving it... >=20 > -- Dave