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([2600:8800:7c80:1584:6110:3081:f442:9bae]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h7sm4402300pgn.60.2020.06.07.18.02.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Jun 2020 18:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Adam Thornton In-Reply-To: <20200607155239.GL1635@mcvoy.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 18:02:18 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8b8d2ff3ed704c5631997387bf78e9b7@firemail.de> <202006070557.0575vkwU011918@freefriends.org> <20200607155239.GL1635@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Subject: Re: [TUHS] History of popularity of C X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Jun 7, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 11:26:45AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: >> That said, I personally am the most excited about Go theses day, but = I'm >> also thinking Rust looks pretty interesting, but my experience with = both >> compared to C is extremely nominal. Neither language is used for = anything >> in production in our world at this point. >=20 > If I had to move to a modern language it would be Go. I looked at = Rust > and barfed. Several years ago, this was a job talk I gave, based on my experience at = the time developing a pretty nifty system that never found traction. The new job (I got it!) doesn=E2=80=99t use Go, so I=E2=80=99ve = grudgingly gone back to Python. But I stand by most of what I wrote = (although I am sure parts of it are outdated and wrong now). The tl;dr is the title of the talk:=20 https://athornton.github.io/go-it-mostly-doesnt-suck I make the claim that Go *is* pretty much C with 35 years of lessons = learned about what did and didn=E2=80=99t work in C, and 35 years of = machine time getting cheaper and programmer time getting more expensive. Adam=