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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i12-20020ac813cc000000b003a50248b89esm3618239qtj.26.2022.12.10.18.49.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:49:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.200.110.1.12\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: <20221211023955.GP8801@mcvoy.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:49:12 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20221211021628.GM8801@mcvoy.com> <20221211023207.GN8801@mcvoy.com> <20221211023955.GP8801@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.200.110.1.12) Message-ID-Hash: DPOQTORX6NDZZSNRQ3MTTZRSI4DLWNIZ X-Message-ID-Hash: DPOQTORX6NDZZSNRQ3MTTZRSI4DLWNIZ X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On Dec 10, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 07:33:54PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 7:32 PM Larry McVoy wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 07:26:09PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: >>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 7:16 PM Larry McVoy wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Wow, Kermit is still around? I think the last time I used that = was >>>>> around 1985. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Are modems still a thing? >>>>=20 >>>> I used it last year... without a modem. >>>=20 >>> What problem does it solve that is not solved? >>=20 >> Talking to my DEC Rainbow and downloading files to it? It was the = go-to >> protocol of choice. Xmodem is available, but messes up file sizes. = kermit >> just works with this device that's so slow it drops characters at = 2400 baud. >=20 > OK, that is cool, but my question was what problem does it solve that > we face today? Other than talking to 30-40 year old hardware. Why is > Kermit still a thing? I used it to connect to various RaspberryPis. Also to check what a GPS dongle was outputting. My ~/.kermrc has a date of Oct 2019. Later switched to minicom/picocom. Don't recall why. Kermit has a decent help system.