From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18832 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2022 23:29:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jun 2022 23:29:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F10C40C91; Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:28:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (pb-sasl1.pobox.com [64.147.108.66]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0511040CF7 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:28:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-sasl1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E16737F1; Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:28:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from :message-id:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to :cc:to:references; s=sasl; bh=5ZBKXs7CPNt/MnqIfM2IDKeonP8HSq54NG HZXJRZ+h4=; b=hoTSTb1/lrhPgdYstnT9qJRQ2vR9lNIK+l8wvwfGmeMcTYYis5 5LkthAP00jhOIVGpPV7aVYv8ZmDx8ER361oUgtVsv+nDSkVg9Fo7dOaD0IzFsWAi KVm++MpL9Cf/JvmtFVF0/pcgEGhUr3oEMLl3yrlpQiNq0kaHTIFARNFVo= Received: from pb-sasl1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-sasl1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B18A737EF; Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:28:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Received: from [192.168.86.129] (unknown [203.132.93.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-sasl1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF0EB737ED; Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:28:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) From: David Arnold Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B052CD71-775C-4550-B0FE-9E0685A981BE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 09:28:14 +1000 In-Reply-To: To: Henry Bent References: <20220603213215.GO10240@mcvoy.com> <20220603214032.GQ10240@mcvoy.com> <20220603223014.GS10240@mcvoy.com> <20220603234822.GV10240@mcvoy.com> <20220604010543.GZ10240@mcvoy.com> <20220606011511.GG10240@mcvoy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 590F623E-E5F0-11EC-B9D0-895D709B1A4B-29049682!pb-sasl1.pobox.com Message-ID-Hash: IMCCEDO5QBQURO23A2LZZ3WB5MZLSXAQ X-Message-ID-Hash: IMCCEDO5QBQURO23A2LZZ3WB5MZLSXAQ X-MailFrom: davida@pobox.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fwd: [simh] Announcing the Open SIMH project List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail=_B052CD71-775C-4550-B0FE-9E0685A981BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 7 Jun 2022, at 00:53, Henry Bent wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 at 21:41, Dan Cross > wrote: >=20 > The other day, I needed a Linux machine for work. I grabbed another > NUC and put Arch on it. A vastly different experience: much more akin > to installing 7th Edition than Windows or macOS. Oh! And I missed a > step, so I had to pull some shenanigans to fix that. >=20 > Gentoo is even more arcane, but that's essentially an "I want to do = everything myself" distribution. I suppose my point is that there exist = a full range of distributions, from the truly masochistic Linux =46rom = Scratch to the most hands-off/static ChromeOS Flex. I don't believe = that any other "OS" has such a wide range of offerings. This is = obviously both a wonderful feature and a confusing nightmare, depending = on your audience. Lest it be thought that all is sweetness and light in Linux-land, there = were years of fairly intense competition involved in getting installers = to the point that you can start with a downloaded image, burn it to a = USB, boot it, run it, and (optionally) make it persist over a reboot, = all with very minimal need to understand or care about the many, many = things going on under the hood. More recently, installation has become more-or-less settled technology = (and so things like Arch have arisen that specialise away from that = experience), and there=E2=80=99s increasing competition around the = end-user experience. Distributions like ChromeOS or = https://elementary.io/ or (from the BSD world!) = https://hellosystem.github.io/, are attempting to provide a more = seamless user experience than the standard GNOME-or-KDE duopoly that has = until recently focused on being competitive with decades old = Windows/macOS. Perhaps that=E2=80=99s something OpenSIMH could take from this history: = a focus on painless installation and a decent UI! d --Apple-Mail=_B052CD71-775C-4550-B0FE-9E0685A981BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On = 7 Jun 2022, at 00:53, Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 at 21:41, Dan = Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:

The other day, I needed a Linux machine for work. I grabbed another
NUC and put Arch on it. A vastly different experience: much more akin
to installing 7th Edition than Windows or macOS. Oh! And I missed a
step, so I had to pull some shenanigans to fix that.

Gentoo is even more arcane, but that's essentially an "I want = to do everything myself" distribution.  I suppose my point is that = there exist a full range of distributions, from the truly masochistic = Linux =46rom Scratch to the most hands-off/static ChromeOS Flex.  I = don't believe that any other "OS" has such a wide range of = offerings.  This is obviously both a wonderful feature and a = confusing nightmare, depending on your audience.

Lest it be thought that all is sweetness and light = in Linux-land, there were years of fairly intense competition involved = in getting installers to the point that you can start with a downloaded = image, burn it to a USB, boot it, run it, and (optionally) make it = persist over a reboot, all with very minimal need to understand or care = about the many, many things going on under the hood.

More recently, installation has become = more-or-less settled technology (and so things like Arch have arisen = that specialise away from that experience), and there=E2=80=99s = increasing competition around the end-user experience. =  Distributions like ChromeOS or https://elementary.io/ or (from the BSD world!) https://hellosystem.github.io/, are attempting to provide = a more seamless user experience than the standard GNOME-or-KDE duopoly = that has until recently focused on being competitive with decades old = Windows/macOS.

Perhaps that=E2=80=99s = something OpenSIMH could take from this history: a focus on painless = installation and a decent UI!




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