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[107.193.50.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a7sm14202595pfn.150.2021.10.04.12.22.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 04 Oct 2021 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (zaphod.local [IPv6:fe80::1009:c445:de93:12f3]) by kdbarto.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2BEC1C38612; Mon, 4 Oct 2021 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8C2FC154-685A-4D46-A7AF-5491374106AD" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: David Barto In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 12:22:24 -0700 Message-Id: References: <4fbe7200-a619-9523-4edc-612b5dd73bcc@gmail.com> To: Henry Bent X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Subject: Re: [TUHS] 4.3BSD-Tahoe Restoration X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: david@kdbarto.org Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_8C2FC154-685A-4D46-A7AF-5491374106AD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Henry Bent = wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 13:42, Will Senn > wrote: > On 10/4/21 12:22 PM, Henry Bent wrote: > > My question is: how was this sort of thing done in the real world? = If=20 > > I was a site running stock 4.3BSD, would I have received (or been = able=20 > > to request) updated tapes at regular intervals? The replacement=20 > > process that I have been using is fairly labor intensive and on a = real=20 > > VAX would have been very time intensive too. Fortunately two to = three=20 > > years' worth of changes were not so drastic that I ever found myself=20= > > in a position where the existing tools were not able to compile = pieces=20 > > of Tahoe that I needed to proceed, but I could easily imagine = finding=20 > > myself in such a place. (This was, by the way, what I ran into when=20= > > attempting to upgrade from 2.9BSD to 2.10BSD, despite a fully=20 > > documented contemporary upgrade procedure). >=20 > Hi Henry, >=20 > I expect folks who actually ran this can weigh in with the 'real = world'=20 > perspective. What I can offer is that the document entitled, = "Installing=20 > and Operating 4.3BSD-tahoe UNIX* on the VAX" by the folks doing the=20 > release (CSRG) is probably canonical: >=20 > http://blog.livedoor.jp/suzanhud/BSD/4.3BSD_Tahoe_VAX.pdf = >=20 >=20 > Well now I feel a little silly. I did look in the source tree for a = document like this but couldn't find one. It does appear, however, in = the installed (for Tahoe) tree in /usr/doc/smm/01.setup. >=20 > -Henry It is kind of funny that the following never got checked: If your hardware configuration does not provide at least 75 XXX checkme = XXX Megabytes of disk space ... David --Apple-Mail=_8C2FC154-685A-4D46-A7AF-5491374106AD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Oct 4, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 13:42, Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/4/21 12:22 PM, Henry Bent wrote:
> My question is: how was this sort of thing done in the real world?  If
> I was a site running stock 4.3BSD, would I have received (or been able
> to request) updated tapes at regular intervals?  The replacement
> process that I have been using is fairly labor intensive and on a real
> VAX would have been very time intensive too.  Fortunately two to three
> years' worth of changes were not so drastic that I ever found myself
> in a position where the existing tools were not able to compile pieces
> of Tahoe that I needed to proceed, but I could easily imagine finding
> myself in such a place.  (This was, by the way, what I ran into when
> attempting to upgrade from 2.9BSD to 2.10BSD, despite a fully
> documented contemporary upgrade procedure).

Hi Henry,

I expect folks who actually ran this can weigh in with the 'real world'
perspective. What I can offer is that the document entitled, "Installing
and Operating 4.3BSD-tahoe UNIX* on the VAX" by the folks doing the
release (CSRG) is probably canonical:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/suzanhud/BSD/4.3BSD_Tahoe_VAX.pdf


Well now I feel a little silly.  I did look in the source tree for a document like this but couldn't find one.  It does appear, however, in the installed (for Tahoe) tree in /usr/doc/smm/01.setup.

-Henry

It is kind of funny that the following never got checked:

If your hardware configuration does not provide at least 75 XXX checkme XXX Megabytes of disk space ...


David

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