From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9722 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2023 05:16:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Jan 2023 05:16:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C573D424C1; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 15:16:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-f174.google.com (mail-pf1-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FAD2424BA for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 15:16:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 18so7617545pfx.7 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2023 21:16:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cfcl.com; s=google; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date:in-reply-to :from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Fqyvo3JuNgVVKVjo16PO+u7jibgENtQoXThgFCTdygc=; b=JhHp5vKLhX1CZ7jmK22Fm8bxe04BR24a0a8hsOT0qKVjmwddcBJhjM6Jih5JXKDxuk jfxM7TUVZ1TTO7f29N8rLf4kHI8ksqFuyykmmpWYgcR8AaNBezXY1rFyJVPpbwDevDVi LpdGLi2zlVePI2D0cAM5Zl32RMaX1qKSZSYtt6KjkUrNqfXPGf8Mo748iPl1prU402Hq H0JWDdldy4zW039j5IeGmZKctQWsYE6fkA9KwVg2qYy5+QuUEEigqtjjxnTagcThRDqQ 6nthZ2yQTKM9vEYVgBz6KZJ9NvbfIfNr2iHn3Wqi6fIDOR7D9rAppMKSydUPAWkjfAGN oUvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date:in-reply-to :from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Fqyvo3JuNgVVKVjo16PO+u7jibgENtQoXThgFCTdygc=; b=gS2oiHPIt+YOLXSFG9kJ+2CJgdXeYNAxzHotqIurqqPb21PSTLMEvYSavXLGYLIa0E KgpO0kXhxkuj5icfpSE81l7w7c25yrh4r/0p49LS/x+rGMQDibfuPXM+UvuF1PvD7vcp P/dD2pTODHUMYyZMQGkZlPSHpavUCt7zKMgJjhJDislhe+3YmI+TaGyvdt7cOZLF02Oa I3BMRF9N6T/xK3CDuDwtvYxXQ+VvsscgWm+YJ3eKJQjLWZdqE3rVqs1nk7OrhlQSadAi 82IjFOjIe2hn07KAv2LCC3KcP38sLwzz5iw0/7U1/p/klPX6YydD795R/1ZKfjUy4u25 peQw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kphafcgPc//+vjR12lA7LIs5OU7QLAlEySL1GlfRfrGlY3LjI+b NiD36sFJtX13t02k+S3UdtUZiC5FqEOMuINN X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXvgRqsr4fX0vmFVVp6UQW6P0tKm5v3CvWeLWTN+kDn8rLKt0l4PswzdAT1lOGJGdp0PEwdAmw== X-Received: by 2002:a62:5801:0:b0:574:a541:574a with SMTP id m1-20020a625801000000b00574a541574amr41723295pfb.0.1672722925686; Mon, 02 Jan 2023 21:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.254.24] ([50.125.55.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u190-20020a6260c7000000b0056bc5ad4862sm19327867pfb.28.2023.01.02.21.15.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Jan 2023 21:15:24 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Rich Morin In-Reply-To: <20230102203646.GT25547@mcvoy.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 21:15:23 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20230102203646.GT25547@mcvoy.com> To: TUHS X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Message-ID-Hash: UI3ETCHVGFFH5COUHF3GLCIZLNEXRSTX X-Message-ID-Hash: UI3ETCHVGFFH5COUHF3GLCIZLNEXRSTX X-MailFrom: rdm@cfcl.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Interview question List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sadly, I can't remember whose USENIX talk it was, but I recall a = software maturity scale that went something like this: 1 - it works in your office 2 - it works in an office down the hall 3 - it works for someone you've never met 4 - you don't have to explain why you use it 5 - you have to explain why you don't use it -r > On Jan 2, 2023, at 12:36, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > The /bin/sh stuff made me think of an interview question I had for = engineers, > that a surprisingly few could pass: >=20 > "Tell me about something you wrote that was entirely you, the docs, = the > tests, the source, the installer, everything. It doesn't have to be a > big thing, but it has to have been successfully used by at least 10 > people who had no contact with you (other than to say thanks)." >=20 > Most people fail this. I think the people who pass might look=20 > positively on the v7 sh stuff. But who knows?