From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5477 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2022 03:00:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Jun 2022 03:00:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B7742218; Sat, 4 Jun 2022 13:00:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12D7F42213 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2022 12:59:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id br33so5656335qkb.0 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 19:59:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iitbombay-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :cc:to; bh=nG/hNAjFR0rLoFqZt+vnLwGq6JnparEyoqYPcMkZn28=; b=joXLrtIpJUxy/uJNKhZbYwxRj98ezU38j//js+82Em0wl3FfYNjShRLB2SJHAUHzFL uvAmFdxwygCAVrcb/S87oQKIqmls3oa3OzxKj6Huhhx5IwezBZPQXtqQQuzkxeJyskoR x+NBecP7QkmiNPxBCtzVqQmCGde5YUOzXhKw6Pc46Qvkt2GHHXg/FOhpShIKVA+lXOJi hzL9ycIecPjYq9rx9L6Wy1Bscxcs1hCwpf/jhKWKG08d/SPiEE4oVmwD8Bb+YR3+B21Q OLDWGdyz+2NOFEPifqfGmakvk1ZOqVEpz/39Xp6DJwKnDeVlxXj4LkvKXdODHIWYpzKA 94fg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=nG/hNAjFR0rLoFqZt+vnLwGq6JnparEyoqYPcMkZn28=; b=qniP6fWQx+cXwtaxRsmLZwFBTcX+LpqkroZ6V+INgoHaqhAxx6OknchR8CTtoq6s2d xLjB4OrYWvHeJK4YpkeNGQbGtsyieJpAWgZ/IWl2tkw2tSFVDR4wLEIS1FoDtq5w+WiB zldk0nw1lmsewRc81SK8V0y/NyWU6ciwtcY6Q11Nka8+IaeNML2f1BialwHyeM8yzfqB TVD5s0NQ1XD+Wp2cS73YoKr1hGdrNm9m00fMTP7c4cN72GKSArwSq3/gUlGCpFcJusoo smFbTW9k9l9KLfDN2+a+9zsqgGqD4a3wmSeW1jiKDc9FetMwru/yVi99HsgpT9pHShpX M7pQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5301rPh7fIFpvw4v6J3+gGddQ9X3DKLfXA8TEIcnzsFCJ3Q1E0yW BqLCMAAb2uG31xtz6dCX6QFnSfxa2P+Rwa8G X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyAbswYsYf6HWbT649NJIRm1QE9dM8Nsf7U6Z7xaEmvv8yEa9oyby+BIdXDN0yMSbPCrjy5pQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1422:b0:6a5:a2ee:8eae with SMTP id k2-20020a05620a142200b006a5a2ee8eaemr8919064qkj.489.1654311596910; Fri, 03 Jun 2022 19:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (107-215-223-229.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b9-20020a05620a04e900b006a32bf19502sm5866511qkh.60.2022.06.03.19.59.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jun 2022 19:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bakul Shah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 19:59:54 -0700 To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) Message-ID-Hash: 2TNW65R7LV3UGE7O3RKBWZ2EHXMWU44G X-Message-ID-Hash: 2TNW65R7LV3UGE7O3RKBWZ2EHXMWU44G X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fwd: [simh] Announcing the Open SIMH project List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Jun 3, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: > Um, so there were 3: 386, Net and Free. That's already 2 too many. My recollection matches what Warner is saying. NetBSD & FreeBSD got going *because* 386BSD was effectively frozen. It wasn't dead dead but patches were not being upstreamed (as we say now), and so on. I do agree with you that even two variants were 1 too many. But even one would probably not have mattered as the AT&T lawsuit was a huge cloud on *BSD's popularity. As well as there were other factors. Linus and Linux had a much better story, its development was more nimble, with many younger and much more enthusiastic developers/users etc. Not that anyone really cares at this point except some graybeards! The Open SIMH project sounds great!