From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30652 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2023 17:17:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Jan 2023 17:17:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BA042550; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:16:45 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1674839805; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-owner:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=s53cMV6t7kp1XxtYTBykELSQq0OtGbjck2Cz4jMLajk=; b=yDuoGenELMid7/SUW66oOSH8lPS0rJH4RVMJXmlumE5azfrZn5oMNwHEZjER7lXJDoMtU2 aAWBKB3+ssi3igXbUDhtk/CL77BU0vk7Zs+c+ubi7Zia4BVeariDRUUeGBaOqizLAqGUD2 46uj2tdU3WSJFmFiUgYggJk162NywFg= Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3246D4254F for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:16:27 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 3e681cce-9e66-11ed-a286-005056ab378f Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.37]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 3e681cce-9e66-11ed-a286-005056ab378f; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 18:15:48 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=message-id:to:date:subject:mime-version:content-type:from; bh=s53cMV6t7kp1XxtYTBykELSQq0OtGbjck2Cz4jMLajk=; b=Pw5tltwfwMZlfI0a90quoE/sTpdEyqmoXMI7jhKpwy/3uVECfPfcQMtdVQw2G3v7rxVQ8+md+YlmV 8YFVrOy/fhm2ooiyZ61Q/L+GpK2bmjh9cTkAxV2hnWGlI7C/Au8idyvJZXJ/R8RnzEfE+o8MaAMp43 W9x4hWnYdl8lrJO4= X-KPN-MID: 33|S+0rrIUtbvcxNDwTDgV8j+8/3fT43buDQQGgfEVy4E8NAzWhitqvLoi6mDottwg 6NaxqJTxRcAXuiABUm6UN3A== X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|QHG4PxhvM+EjtsBq6zm8LrmsdyOFDj0ymkRzpa/wXKdnOhhLAfK6/bC5tuyGA5l yFRcOMImALOEyk33kxceajg== X-Originating-IP: 77.172.38.96 Received: from mba1.fritz.box (77-172-38-96.fixed.kpn.net [77.172.38.96]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 4dfec015-9e66-11ed-ae07-005056ab1411; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 18:16:15 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_25EC9E7E-FC84-48F0-A006-958F97B7399C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 18:16:14 +0100 References: <0C5D8AF8-BAB2-48B5-854B-34E3A949DE50@planet.nl> <0778FF74-7DF5-4072-95F3-5FF5BEB4CC33@planet.nl> To: "tuhs@tuhs.org" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Message-ID-Hash: Y7XASVVTMNCPW27EXRRMW2WVDPILZRGK X-Message-ID-Hash: Y7XASVVTMNCPW27EXRRMW2WVDPILZRGK X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Earliest UNIX Workstations? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS Reply-To: Paul Ruizendaal --Apple-Mail=_25EC9E7E-FC84-48F0-A006-958F97B7399C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jan 27, 2023, at 1:19 AM, Paul Ruizendaal wrote: >=20 > The version of X discussed in the paper was apparently part of the = 4.3BSD distribution tapes: >=20 > "The use of X has grown far beyond anything we had imagined. Digital = has incorporated X into a commercial product, and other manufacturers = are following suit. With the appearance of such products and the release = of complete X sources on the Berkeley 4.3 UNIX distribution tapes, it is = no longer feasible to track all X use and development.=E2=80=9D >=20 This X is not on the TUHS Unix tree website, nor on the CSRG disks. It = turns out that there is a directory =E2=80=9Csrc/new=E2=80=9D that is = not included there. It is here: http://www.retro11.de/ouxr/43bsd/usr/src/new/ = The version of X included with 4.3BSD was X10. I assume this is the = oldest surviving X Window source code. Of course the source code for the Blit has survived, as has the source = code of MGR. The source code for Sunwindows and NeWS is presumably lost? --Apple-Mail=_25EC9E7E-FC84-48F0-A006-958F97B7399C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On = Jan 27, 2023, at 1:19 AM, Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl> = wrote:

The version = of X discussed in the paper was apparently part of the 4.3BSD = distribution tapes:

"The use of X has grown = far beyond anything we had imagined. Digital has incorporated X into a = commercial product, and other manufacturers are following suit. With the = appearance of such products and the release of complete X sources on the = Berkeley 4.3 UNIX distribution tapes, it is no longer feasible to track = all X use and development.=E2=80=9D


This X is = not on the TUHS Unix tree website, nor on the CSRG disks. It turns out = that there is a directory =E2=80=9Csrc/new=E2=80=9D that is not included = there. It is here:

The version of X included with 4.3BSD was X10. I = assume this is the oldest surviving X Window source code.

Of course the source code for the Blit has = survived, as has the source code of MGR. The source code for Sunwindows = and NeWS is presumably lost?



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