From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11316 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2020 23:53:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jun 2020 23:53:25 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 26C049C6B5; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:53:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EEB9C24C; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:52:58 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=smtpservice.net header.i=@smtpservice.net header.b="gzemv5IK"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 928309C24C; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:52:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from a2i76.smtp2go.com (a2i76.smtp2go.com [103.47.204.76]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 732FB9C246 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:52:55 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smtpservice.net; s=m33y30.a1-4.dyn; x=1592179675; h=Feedback-ID: X-Smtpcorp-Track:To:Message-Id:Reply-To:Date:From:Subject:Sender: List-Unsubscribe; bh=O+08siEat4hTbsGn8Xz71vazKhl9QtUnuRc3r1z0+/Q=; b=gzemv5IK 0x8HZmbv/WvDOM+DTfWawvQ1TJKi0tNSkQrHvZ39gOn5hpPEo8I9L6LNtzp+ctyaWMhomUANjZk63 k3aty7eHRnIGwdPlKzcecX7x7jrMP/AgBcb6haaNFtOlEVo5a0V1Astq7U/2ccARfdpqBidNLbZCf 4E/2QUm/BRum/pLH9JgXEaBp2Oo5/QcorCieP04OBCVIcnhUmQJ0MJ68O+dxNSpvZvlzp2zNQzpOD bHEmEuQgxiGmnTscV0k3Er3jdtIJ2+t8InYT/8p6+tgcAm788YsMFzd/GL6FAqzgUB7yafVI2jqnG EhX0P6AXoJ3uRTUGOHw2D2kTCg==; Received: from [10.45.33.53] (helo=SmtpCorp) by smtpcorp.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92-S2G) (envelope-from ) id 1jkcQj-095DIx-MU; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 23:52:49 +0000 Received: from [10.107.193.50] (helo=kdbarto.org) by smtpcorp.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92-S2G) (envelope-from ) id 1jkcQi-rlZHo8-Va; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 23:52:49 +0000 Received: from zaphod.local (zaphod.local [IPv6:fe80::465:4235:9baf:d90f]) by kdbarto.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 931251C39D95; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: David Barto In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:52:45 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200614225208.GB6122@minnie.tuhs.org> To: TUHS main list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Smtpcorp-Track: 1MkcQir_ZHo8Va.5ohTXbPUI Feedback-ID: 145083m:145083a-yaNWS:145083sI7fcabMF8 X-Report-Abuse: Please forward a copy of this message, including all headers, to Subject: Re: [TUHS] Origins and life of the pg pager X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: david@kdbarto.org Cc: Michael Siegel Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" My January 1983 printing of the System V Unix* System User=E2=80=99s = Manual doesn=E2=80=99t have pg in it. And my 1986 AT&T The Unix(tm) System Users Manual for System V Release 2 = also doesn=E2=80=99t have it. David > On Jun 14, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Mary Ann Horton wrote: >=20 > Eric Shienbrood at Berkeley wrote "more" around 1979, and it was the = standard BSD pager. It was inspired by the --More-- option in the ITS = terminal driver at MIT. >=20 > "pg" did not come from Berkeley. My recollection is that it came from = AT&T in response to requests to include "more", which was in exptools at = Bell Labs but not in any standard AT&T system. "pg" is not in my UNIX = 5.0 manual, but it's in my SVID with the comment "New in System V = Release 2". >=20 > UNIX 5.0 was the AT&T internal pre-release of System V. SVID was the = System V Interface Definition from AT&T. >=20 > Mary Ann >=20 > On 6/14/20 3:52 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: >> All, I just received this e-mail from a non-TUHS list member. If you = have >> an answer for Michael, could you reply to him and pop a cc here as = well? >>=20 >> Thanks, Warren >>=20 >> ----- Forwarded message from Michael Siegel ----- >>=20 >> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:37:59 +0200 >> From: Michael Siegel >> To: wkt@tuhs.org >> Subject: Origins and life of the pg pager >>=20 >> Hi there, >>=20 >> I'm trying to find out where the pg pager originated. >>=20 >> The research I've done so far vaguely suggests it came with one of = the >> System V versions, though Internet claims it to be =E2=80=9Cthe name = of the >> historical utility on BSD UNIX systems=E2=80=9D occasionally.[1] >>=20 >> I think System V because the source code of pg.c in the util-linux >> package says that this utility is =E2=80=9Ca clone of the System V = CRT paging >> utility.=E2=80=9D[2] >>=20 >> I'd also like to find out when pg was discarded and if it ever made = it >> into POSIX before that. Linux still has pg to the very day, but none = of >> the current major BSDs (Free/Net/Open) offer it. POSIX 2001, 2004 >> Edition lists it as an excluded utility.[3] I've not been able to get >> the text of any prior POSIX documents. It seems they aren't freely >> available. >>=20 >> Any ideas on how to proceed? >>=20 >>=20 >> Best >> Michael >>=20 >>=20 >> [1] This one's from Wikipedia = (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pg_(Unix)), >> but I've also found other sites stating the same. >>=20 >> [2] >> = https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/util-linux/util-linux.git/tree/text-u= tils/pg.c >>=20 >> [3] = https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009696899/xrat/xcu_chap04.html >>=20 >> ----- End forwarded message -----