From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30674 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2022 04:35:56 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Aug 2022 04:35:56 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179D440CBA; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 14:35:51 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1659674151; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=j1nLnGUYbSqABf2LocUnq1fmQRqq9DG2IsdlI/eIb6s=; b=cVepNIFWyYaUDrXV4ADlkqtrCoKuRcenEaiyn3LdXZxUHTE+ZWesMEquDdcMemiej+8W3c GF23VTbZVwveilZnIBKEAQZlnBLrjlLIa7P8YKDHs5iX8FI8VrWnakyDQho6kxVMeqMht4 uiZoI97rY35u/IqJ2z6BJ+mBPMteTL4= Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl [195.121.94.183]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3DF340CA2 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 14:35:33 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: f380d0b8-1477-11ed-888a-005056992ed3 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.39]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id f380d0b8-1477-11ed-888a-005056992ed3; Fri, 05 Aug 2022 06:34:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:from; bh=j1nLnGUYbSqABf2LocUnq1fmQRqq9DG2IsdlI/eIb6s=; b=mAd7zFl8g0hLVCIOiez4jrP38w2fKlnIPbiB2afJEg/rcRwxOsnvOFHTd3Z/xm8eAurnKqRSjR7LN lcurE9EGD+3K3rJtgCypM0/zOjKVliHLzHzh/367PCJs64KzB5QTUWQaIWC/UwcJGmsW03ftT3sls9 PC5xJFvIeutWeHyw= X-KPN-MID: 33|TQg7kkb9nxTi0i1gah9P8OPSveD7EMqwlulxN1140JvQUa7Jr1TqR9ZdRi+Cu/j G7GwoniTiEnU9ylYCvXb5C2OcdoOx3bDpXO94RwbKBQQ= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|05WhfHe9dAkjxNlrQVaxT5Q2aEKQ30F4vlhZ0UFR47+9tPo19TIAJ/Scd1ljwld w8cu2Gimy4fWGYjbJ/Ec+Fw== X-Originating-IP: 98.153.209.242 Received: from smtpclient.apple (rrcs-98-153-209-242.west.biz.rr.com [98.153.209.242]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 05aa385f-1478-11ed-b8b0-005056ab7447; Fri, 05 Aug 2022 06:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 21:35:23 -0700 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Message-ID-Hash: YPHRPENNLAQAGBOTACTABO35H323H2VT X-Message-ID-Hash: YPHRPENNLAQAGBOTACTABO35H323H2VT X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: LSX issues and musing List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS Reply-To: Paul Ruizendaal > Any ideas on why businesses didn=E2=80=99t pick up the H11 in 1980? > [priced too high for hobbyists] >=20 > Wikipedia says: >=20 > 1978: H11 US$1295 (kit) or US$1595 fully assembled ("4kword base = system=E2=80=9D)=20 > display advert = $1295 kit + = postage/freight, bare system, 8KB (4kword), 6 Q-bus slots free. ROM ? >=20 > 1981: IBM 5150(PC) US$1,565 for "16 KB RAM, Color Graphics = Adapter, and no disk drives.=E2=80=9D > ( I only saw 5150=E2=80=99s with 2x 5.25=E2=80=9D = 360KB floppies included - otherwise, can=E2=80=99t run programs & store = files) Note that those are nominal prices. In terms of purchasing power USD = 1595 in 1978 equated about USD 2200 in 1981 = (https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1978?endYear=3D1981&amount=3D1= 595). Otherwise agree with your observation on packaged, off-the-shelf = software being the main driver. In small business before the IBM PC, = Visicalc drove Apple II uptake; Wordstar, C-Basic 2 and DBase drove CP/M = uptake. Would LSI-11 hardware with LSX, ed and nroff have been competitive in = small business? The experiences of John Walker (of AutoCAD fame) = suggests not: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/marinchip/