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([2601:14d:c201:4510:b105:3672:6cb2:4e0d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6sm4815469qkj.134.2020.07.22.05.23.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derrik Walker v2.0" Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D0C3B923-CB18-4AD3-A2A0-E20232956E6B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:23:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Jason References: <20200717180831.5D4AB43F88@lignose.oclsc.org> <20200717195358.GA14847@minnie.tuhs.org> <20200717195718.GM18565@mcvoy.com> <77c0536b-87b8-44dd-96fd-76d8ceba30f2@localhost> <2135afdb-db52-05d2-9af6-24ad36367db3@tnetconsulting.net> <40a70393-894a-4b21-8678-a71bbca4aa69@localhost> <8e7efd45-a84e-cf20-9d30-8222357596a3@tnetconsulting.net> <202007200847.06K8l8DF026646@freefriends.org> <6528890D-947F-4393-8578-5B797AF6FF8E@doomd.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Subject: Re: [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_D0C3B923-CB18-4AD3-A2A0-E20232956E6B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It=E2=80=99s funny you mention how slow it can be. On a decent Mac with = enough ram, it was fine. The later PowerPC native version, running on = just about any new world Mac, was really fast.=20 Having said that, running it via Mini vMac on my 2020 MacBook Air, it = feels about 1 million times faster than on any physical Mac I ever ran = it on.=20 And Gopher =E2=80=A6. There is a program I=E2=80=99ve not seen in a very = long time. I remember in the early days of the Power Mac, Apple released = this really cool 3D gopher client. It ran pretty well on the 6100 I had = at the time. - Derrik =20 > On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:44 PM, Jason = wrote: >=20 > MachTen was interesting as heck to find. I ran it on a LC recently = and it was so slow. I couldn=E2=80=99t work out how to build a linker, = but I got a cross compiler (GCC) set your a sun-2 target and gas just = worked fine letting me use my Xeon for cross compiling on NFS, and just = linking on the Mac. >=20 > With only a 68020 it=E2=80=99s just too slow, and with no mmu it=E2=80=99= s just too unstable. But the cool factor is awesome. >=20 > Sadly my attempt at building gopher didn=E2=80=99t work so well. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:33 PM +0800, "Derrik Walker v2.0" = > wrote: >=20 > I used Mach10 and Later MkLinux as my UNIXy systems while in College = before I got my first Sun Workstation in the mid =E2=80=9990=E2=80=99s.=20= >=20 > Interestingly enough. MkLinux was actually ported to Old World = PowerMacs by Apple and HP. I think they also made.a version PCs too. >=20 > And Mach10 was interesting. Different. I also had Minix for the Mac, = it worked much the same, as an app that sat onto of MacOS. =20 >=20 > - Derrik=20 >=20 > > On Jul 20, 2020, at 4:47 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > >=20 > > ISTR that A/UX was nothing special as a Unix. Am I failing to = remember? > >=20 > > I had had a DMD 5620 at my job, and after I moved to a different = place > > and requested one, they graced me with a Macintosh. It could sort = of > > do multiple windows, but it was like having a piper cub after being > > used to a 747. > >=20 > > Other interesting bits for the Mac to maybe recover would be Mach = Ten, > > which ran Mach on top of regular MacOS. (Talk about inverted = pyramids...) > > There was also a Mach/Linux that I think ran on the Mac at some = point. > >=20 > > Arnold > >=20 > > Michael Parson wrote: > >=20 > >> On 2020-07-18 23:42, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: > >>> On 7/18/20 9:46 PM, Wesley Parish wrote: > >>>> I'd still love to have that running. > >>>=20 > >>> I think I've seen articles about people running it running > >>> virtualization / emulation. > >>=20 > >> As far as I've been able to find, there is only one emulator that = can=20 > >> run A/UX, shoebill[0]. > >>=20 > >> I've got a Mac Quadra 950 with a Workgroup Server 95 card in it in = the=20 > >> garage that I've been planning on someday trying to get A/UX = running on,=20 > >> but haven't found enough round tuits. > >>=20 > >> Maybe if someone could rip the 680[34]0+MMU bits out of Win/FS-UAE=20= > >> (Amiga emulator) and patch them into Basilisk II (Mac 68K = emulator),=20 > >> A/UX might work there. > >>=20 > >> --=20 > >> Michael Parson > >> Pflugerville, TX > >> KF5LGQ > >>=20 > >> [0] https://github.com/emaculation/shoebill > >=20 --Apple-Mail=_D0C3B923-CB18-4AD3-A2A0-E20232956E6B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 It=E2=80=99s funny you mention how slow it can be.  On a = decent Mac with enough ram, it was fine.  The later PowerPC native = version, running on just about any new world Mac, was really = fast. 

Having = said that, running it via Mini vMac on my 2020 MacBook Air, it feels = about 1 million times faster than on any physical Mac I ever ran it = on. 

And = Gopher =E2=80=A6. There is a program I=E2=80=99ve not seen in a very = long time. I remember in the early days of the Power Mac, Apple released = this really cool 3D gopher client.  It ran pretty well on the 6100 = I had at the time.

- Derrik  

On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:44 PM, = Jason <jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:

=20 =20 =20
=09
MachTen was interesting as heck to find.  I = ran it on a LC recently and it was so slow.  I couldn=E2=80=99t = work out how to build a linker, but I got a cross compiler (GCC) set = your a sun-2 target and gas just worked fine letting me use my Xeon for = cross compiling on NFS, and just linking on the Mac.

With only a = 68020 it=E2=80=99s just too slow, and with no mmu it=E2=80=99s just too = unstable.   But the cool factor is awesome.

Sadly my = attempt at building gopher didn=E2=80=99t work so well.


=20



On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:33 PM +0800, = "Derrik Walker v2.0" <dwalker@doomd.net> wrote:

I used Mach10 and Later MkLinux as my UNIXy systems =
while in College before I got my first Sun Workstation in the mid =
=E2=80=9990=E2=80=99s.=20

Interestingly enough. MkLinux was actually ported to Old World PowerMacs =
by Apple and HP.  I think they also made.a version PCs too.

And Mach10 was interesting.  Different.  I also had Minix for the Mac, =
it worked much the same, as an app that sat onto of MacOS. =20

- Derrik=20

> On Jul 20, 2020, at 4:47 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>=20
> ISTR that A/UX was nothing special as a Unix.  Am I failing to =
remember?
>=20
> I had had a DMD 5620 at my job, and after I moved to a different =
place
> and requested one, they graced me with a Macintosh.  It could sort =
of
> do multiple windows, but it was like having a piper cub after being
> used to a 747.
>=20
> Other interesting bits for the Mac to maybe recover would be Mach =
Ten,
> which ran Mach on top of regular MacOS. (Talk about inverted =
pyramids...)
> There was also a Mach/Linux that I think ran on the Mac at some =
point.
>=20
> Arnold
>=20
> Michael Parson  wrote:
>=20
>> On 2020-07-18 23:42, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote:
>>> On 7/18/20 9:46 PM, Wesley Parish wrote:
>>>> I'd still love to have that running.
>>>=20
>>> I think I've seen articles about people running it running
>>> virtualization / emulation.
>>=20
>> As far as I've been able to find, there is only one emulator =
that can=20
>> run A/UX, shoebill[0].
>>=20
>> I've got a Mac Quadra 950 with a Workgroup Server 95 card in it =
in the=20
>> garage that I've been planning on someday trying to get A/UX =
running on,=20
>> but haven't found enough round tuits.
>>=20
>> Maybe if someone could rip the 680[34]0+MMU bits out of =
Win/FS-UAE=20
>> (Amiga emulator) and patch them into Basilisk II (Mac 68K =
emulator),=20
>> A/UX might work there.
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Michael Parson
>> Pflugerville, TX
>> KF5LGQ
>>=20
>> [0] https://github.com/emaculation/shoebill
>=20

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