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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm692675oig.51.2021.07.02.06.11.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Jul 2021 06:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D44B844F-A9FC-48D7-B8EF-2992DCFC5CFC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 06:11:21 -0700 Message-Id: References: To: Dan Cross X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18F72) Subject: Re: [TUHS] First machine to run rogue? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail-D44B844F-A9FC-48D7-B8EF-2992DCFC5CFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glenn wrote up a brief history where he says it was first distributed with 4= .2bsd. https://web.archive.org/web/19980625212119/http://www.wichman.org/roguehisto= ry.html @ Fortune Systems in 1983/83 we had 3-4 college students working for a contr= act company Santa Cruz Operations(?) doing testing for us. He was one of the= m and later we hired him full time. I didn=E2=80=99t interact with him much t= hough and once I quit Fortune I lost track of him. I think initially we had o= nly a rogue binary on 4.1 running on VAX780 but I do not recall if he brough= t it to Fortune. Someone later ported it to the Fortune machine. I used to p= lay Rogue while waiting for kernel compiles to finish. A few years ago I got= it on FreeBSD and my muscle memory came back 100%! > On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Dan Cross wrote: > =EF=BB=BF > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM wrote: >> Is the rogue source extant? I remember many people spending many >> hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech. >>=20 >> ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source. >=20 > It is; it looks like it was first distributed with 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The sourc= es there are listed as "public domain rogue", but I'm not sure about the pro= venance of that code. >=20 > - Dan C. >=20 >=20 >> Arnold >>=20 >> Dan Cross wrote: >>=20 >> > Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspicion is= >> > that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate. >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole wrote: >> > >> > > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don=E2=80= =99t remember >> > > if we had it on the 11/60 before that. >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross wrote: >> > > >> > >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it was wr= itten >> > >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, using th= e >> > >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann's rewrite). I'= ve seen >> > >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition, but t= hat >> > >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find in BSD is i= n 2.79 >> > >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first release to ship cu= rses. >> > >> >> > >> Anyone have any info? Thanks! >> > >> >> > >> - Dan C. >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual >> > > --Apple-Mail-D44B844F-A9FC-48D7-B8EF-2992DCFC5CFC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Glenn wrote u= p a brief history where he says it was first distributed with 4.2bsd.
<= div dir=3D"ltr">https://web.archive.org/web/199806252121= 19/http://www.wichman.org/roguehistory.html

@ Fortune Systems in 1983/83 we had 3-4 college student= s working for a contract company Santa Cruz Operations(?) doing testing for u= s. He was one of them and later we hired him full time. I didn=E2=80=99t int= eract with him much though and once I quit Fortune I lost track of him. I th= ink initially we had only a rogue binary on 4.1 running on VAX780 but I do n= ot recall if he brought it to Fortune. Someone later ported it to the  = Fortune machine. I used to play Rogue while waiting for kernel compiles to f= inish. A few years ago I got it on FreeBSD and my muscle memory came back 10= 0%!

On Jul 2, 2021, at 5= :16 AM, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:

=
=EF=BB=BF
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Is the rogue source extant?  I remember many people spe= nding many
hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech.

ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source.
=

It is; it looks like it was first distributed with 4= .3BSD-Tahoe. The sources there are listed as "public domain rogue", but= I'm not sure about the provenance of that code.

&n= bsp;       - Dan C.


Arnold

Dan Cross <crossd@g= mail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspicion is=
> that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate.<= br> >
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
> > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don=E2= =80=99t remember
> > if we had it on the 11/60 before that.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it w= as written
> >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, us= ing the
> >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann's rewrit= e). I've seen
> >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition,= but that
> >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find in B= SD is in 2.79
> >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first release to s= hip curses.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any info? Thanks!
> >>
> >>         - Dan C.
> >>
> >> --
> > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
> >
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