From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 73741ff2 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 02:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C5DEA9BCCE; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:59:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65169BCB5; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:59:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 36B689BCB5; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:59:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.bitblocks.com (ns1.bitblocks.com [173.228.5.8]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23E59BCA9 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:59:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from altos.bitblocks.com (altos.bitblocks.com [192.168.125.3]) by mail.bitblocks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0CB156E42D; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:59:04 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:59:02 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200109012830.GC16808@mcvoy.com> <20200109020720.GG16808@mcvoy.com> To: Clem Cole X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Early in vim=E2=80=99s life I had emailed Moolenaar asking him if he = would be willing to add an option for nvi like behavior for undo/redo. He = wasn=E2=80=99t interested so I lost interest. nvi=E2=80=99s u & . behavior is not only = quite clever but also much more intuitive and you don=E2=80=99t have to press the = ctl key! > On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Clem Cole wrote: >=20 > make a new command, don't break the old one.... maybe offer a way to = map the new one over the old -- but don't make it the default. > and my lawn was lush and green before the snow came ;-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:07 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 09:04:46PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bakul Shah = wrote: > >=20 > > > The first thing I do on a new machine is to install nvi. Very = grateful to > > > Keith Bostic for implementing it. I do use multiple windows ??? = only > > > horizontal splits but that is good enough for me as all my = terminal > > > windows are 80 chars wide. Not a vim hater but never saw the need. > >=20 > > I pretty much do the same thing. I think what I hate about vim is = that it's > > almost, vi but not the same. My fingers screw up when I use it. For > > instance, he 'fixed' undo. =20 >=20 > Holy crap Clem, you need to embrace that. His undo goes back forever. > And you can undo the undo and go forward forever. =20 >=20 > Not liking that puts you in the "get off my lawn" old guy camp. Which > is fine if that's who you want to be (sometimes I'm that guy).