From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_SBL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 38ea4ece for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C34679BB16; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:31:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4AD93D33; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:30:52 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="dJLTUjI/"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E714C93D33; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:30:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f42.google.com (mail-qv1-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D9CB93D2B for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:30:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f42.google.com with SMTP id g12so5669278qvy.12 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:30:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=dXaxQ8+Sgb0vZjVIVhi3Gl6xoD8NBAAk2zMPPCkVRy8=; b=dJLTUjI/LmeVe4m3vf6H/w8YMTrCk8GIrnnp1uxLnZiu25GsM//mcyEpQPv7lznvtI WyJ6rsLsPjhxXDlQ+XlUdqfefVcUffZCpmoPS0qt/icYfT9U2pPdKbEgWxvFP/xGmqBm Yyrcl9x8X8qQZz/vZh2ct7DbgswcYbrvhr27s= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=dXaxQ8+Sgb0vZjVIVhi3Gl6xoD8NBAAk2zMPPCkVRy8=; b=q1r5WtSaUb/l6KUrofwM3td82erBjLxOqGsm+ThQAVYrVZCrIHibe8FMRkTuWgPKld 6+j5hd6CkDpmXi3bXoFTf5wMEMb9Vuu96qDVWAA2P4FA2mQTFAcpQSzqqeFLripsM1gb VRNahXQRJwQ1GqNpQHXPPPRGuEswGV/4j7aoX92YzYi55+f9p/gNz9L9UNQT2AkmaqkJ KvoBwKSf+aIL4ydn6L3sPEsB0OBSuR/QQu6GXSKMG1DINn78UJki2IsGiNojvg1Rp2Oj 4paz1E3Lpp/AMZ9+ac+tKhGdwVuTWr0CXJ/9lxzRQZDjhb/Z2eZZbbymCd+Z0/u0II4n WqiA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVN0w7r9YQVW59jOfOSjYc3LdWTX8KukpgmjotE3nkJrPuNyq/Y EzVDfCP544wQ4X+97BFvxHwrB/A3O7DKnQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzyH4OToUWsel5q5vaVAEtPX2jwU3o6K8lCQMvOIqXM2QafH2M+xtFclC9LEiDMebqR9j93QQ== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:568d:: with SMTP id bc13mr26965790qvb.102.1573518649229; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.108] (pool-173-48-42-254.bstnma.fios.verizon.net. [173.48.42.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q204sm8954861qke.39.2019.11.11.16.30.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:30:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Clem cole X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G114) In-Reply-To: <20191111223129.GB23273@mit.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:30:47 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201911112110.xABLAQfW004396@skeeve.com> <20191111223129.GB23273@mit.edu> To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Subject: Re: [TUHS] History of m6? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Not so fast there my friend. Ratfor was used a great deal. For instance Th= e PGI compiler folks wrote a parallel optimizing compiler for the FPS-164 in= it. And FPS used it for there OS. Plus Apollo wrote all their original ut= ilities in it. =20 Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.= =20 > On Nov 11, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:10:26PM +0200, Arnold Robbins wrote: >> I guess I'll also ask, how widespread was the use of macro processors >> in high level languages? They were big for assembler, and PL/1 had >> a macro language, but I don't know of any other contemporary languages >> that had them. Were the general purpose macro processors used a lot? >> E.g. with Fortran or Cobol or ... >=20 > Well, there's Ratfor (Rational Fortran), which was implemented as a > preprocessor in front of Fortran. I don't think it was used a lot, > though.... >=20 > - Ted