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[173.48.42.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s16sm4378676qkg.40.2019.09.15.18.48.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Clem cole X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G102) In-Reply-To: <71a17612-a62f-66a6-4799-9a3cc0cdd8c5@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:48:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <71a17612-a62f-66a6-4799-9a3cc0cdd8c5@gmail.com> To: pechter@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TUHS] My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Becareful. The Idris name was also used later by someone else for a 68000 s= ystem a few years after the Whitesmiths demise and they had stopped trying t= o sell there clone. I do not believe the two products were in any way rela= ted. =20 Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.= =20 > On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:31 PM, William Pechter wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On 9/15/19 5:46 PM, Clem Cole wrote: >> Funny the things you think about at 3 in the AM. >>=20 >> Idris is interesting in that when Plauger built it, he did get in trouble= at the UDel USENIX when he tried to 'hawk it' and basically was booed (how h= e did was as much of a problem as that fact that he did it). But by that po= int, there was another commercial UNIX available. What's interesting is th= at there was not an official V6 redistribution license like there was for V7= ; so I'm not 100% sure I know how it was done and I would love to enlightene= d. >>=20 > Interesting... I was at Concurrent messing around with a couple of trucklo= ads of 7350 boxes they were trashing. They were still being built (or suppo= rted) by Concurrent in 87 or so (I think that's when the Masscomp merger hap= pened)... They were an 8mhz 68000 running either Uniplus+ (Sys III) or Idris= (IIRC) or MicroXelos System V (which I think is a rebadged Uniplus SysV ren= amed to match the Concurrent 3200 Xelos systems). >=20 > They used them internal around '83 when they went to a Rand Editor and so= me *Roff based formatting for their office automation. The motto for the IT= move to desktop Unix was "Paper Free in '83." >=20 > Soon PC's and laser printers killed any hope of "paper free" as the staff s= pent way too much time chosing fonts for BS memos. >=20 > Here's some info on the very slow 68k I ran a newsfeed on: http://www.1000= bit.it/ad/bro/perkin/PerkinElmer7350.pdf >=20 >> I know this much of the story. >>=20 >> As I mentioned before the first commercial user of UNIX was Rand Corporat= ion in LA. Al Arms of AT&T legal wrote the original $15K/CPU license for th= em. I don't know how many of those licenses were made available, but I've a= lways been under the impression it was under 10. Like a lot of people at th= e time, this was when the 'glass tty' was just showing up in force and Rand u= pdated/wrote a version of ed(1) called the rand(1) editor [IIRC, its still a= vailable as the 'grand editor' from Dave Yost]. >>=20 > Perkin-Elmer had a port of the Rand Editor "E" which worked on both the bl= ock mode and text terminals and they were using this for their office automa= tion stuff internal on the desktops until they went Windows and Microsoft ar= ound 86 or so. >=20 > I rescued a bunch of the trash bound 7350's and set up a small Cnews relay= around Monmouth and Ocean counties in NJ. For a while I upgraded to an AT&= T6300 with Xenix-86 on it which outran the 6 or 8 mhz 68k in the Perkin-Elme= r box. >=20 > Cheap RLL disks and higher speed serial ports were to obsolete everything b= elow a 386 for the news feed so I upgraded it. >=20 > One of the great things about the editor on the box was the Rand Editor ve= rsion allowed block copy of column data -- which I could only do on my CP/M b= ox under Wordstar. >=20 > I kept the boxes around until a Trenton Computer Festival. When I couldn'= t unload them in the 90-91 time frame I used the free dumpsters there to fin= ish the destruction that Concurrent had planned. >=20 > I wiped and reused the ton of Uniplus disks I had at the time as scratch f= loppies. I wish I had a copy left for historical reasons. I kept the full m= anual set until I had a full *BSD 4.2,4.3 set and a full SysV set so I dumpe= d the Idris and SysIII stuff. >=20 > My original degree was history and I never found an old computer or doc I d= idn't try to save. >=20 >=20 > Bill >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Digital had it then. Don't you wish you could buy it now! > pechter-at-gmail.com http://xkcd.com/705/ >=20