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From: Paul Ruizendaal <>
To: TUHS main list <>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] pcc in 8th edition
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:04:28 +0200
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Thank you for the tip!

I had seen the revival when googling around. The M68K version looks like an interesting option for my intended project(s). Still, I also would like to work with the versions from the early 80’s, just to get a better feel for the history of it all and to start with something small (the revival is 2-3 times the size of the early 80’s code *).

On top of that, there is something magical about real-life machine descriptions that fit in 400 short lines.


*) On 32V the actual virtual address space for a process was limited to 192KB, due to how the MMU was used.

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:49 PM, wrote:
> Not an answer to your questions, but you may want to take a look
> at the PCC Revived project.  It lives in CVS, but I have a git mirror at
> git://
> HTH,
> Arnold
> Paul Ruizendaal <> wrote:
>> For clarity and ease of reference:
>> - The “Tour of paper” is for instance here:
>> - A machine description for the VAX that matches with that paper is for instance in the SysIII source: 
>> - The new style description in 8th edition is here: 
>> - The program that translates the “stin” file to a “table.c” file is here: 
>> ====
>> Sometimes one thing leads to another.
>> Following the recent mention of some retro-brew 68K single board systems, I decided to build a CB030 board (in progress). I figure it is a rough proxy for a 1980 VAX and would allow for some experimentation with the 32V / SysIII / 8th edition code.
>> My first thought was to use the M68K compiler that is included with the Blit sources (see THUS Archive for this), as I had used that before to explore some of the Blit source. That compiler is LP32, not ILP32 - which may be a source of trouble. Just changing the SZINT parameter yielded some issues, so I started looking at the PCC source.
>> This source does not have a “table.c” in the well known format as described in the “A tour of the portable C compiler” paper. Instead it uses a file “stin” which appears to be in a more compact format and is translated into a “table.c” file by a new pre-processor ("sty.y”). Then looking at the VAX compilers for 8th and 10th edition, these too use this “stin” file.
>> All the other m68K compilers (based on pcc) that I found appear to derive from the V7/32V/SysIII lineage, not from the 8th edition lineage.
>> A quick google did not yield much background or documentation on the STY format.
>> Anybody on this list that can shed some light on the history of the STY table and on how to use it? Any surviving reports or memos that would be useful?
>> Many thanks in advance
>> Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-25 14:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-25 12:35 Paul Ruizendaal
2021-04-25 12:49 ` arnold
2021-04-25 14:04   ` Paul Ruizendaal [this message]
2021-04-25 15:45   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2021-04-25 17:11     ` Clem Cole
2021-04-25 17:32       ` arnold
2021-04-25 17:46         ` Clem Cole
2021-04-25 20:11       ` Paul Ruizendaal
2021-04-30 23:08       ` Paul Ruizendaal
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-04-26 18:00 Norman Wilson
2021-04-26 18:11 ` Dan Cross
2021-04-25 22:02 Norman Wilson
2021-04-26  0:18 ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-04-26 16:51 ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-25 20:48 Norman Wilson
2021-04-25 20:54 ` Dan Cross
2021-04-26  6:29 ` Noel Hunt
2021-04-25  9:15 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS

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