From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29924 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2021 21:36:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Mar 2021 21:36:30 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 806329CADF; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 07:36:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD069CA8B; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 07:35:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DB36B9CA8B; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 07:35:46 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 1234 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2021 07:35:45 AEST Received: from smtp3.via.net (smtp3.via.net [157.22.3.7]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2A5C9CA7A for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 07:35:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.via.net (mail.via.net [157.22.3.34]) by smtp3.via.net (8.15.2/8.14.1-VIANET) with ESMTPS id 128LF6aS003294 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at smtp3.via.net Received: from [209.81.2.65] ([209.81.2.65]) by mail.via.net (8.15.2/8.14.1-VIANET) with ESMTP id 128KkfBI019179; Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: joe mcguckin Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FA3C6DB5-1B98-465A-B504-6D9991A78B74" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:46:31 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20210308023727.GB17304@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy References: <20210308023727.GB17304@mcvoy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (smtp3.via.net [157.22.3.7]); Mon, 08 Mar 2021 13:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Richard Stevens X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_FA3C6DB5-1B98-465A-B504-6D9991A78B74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Speaking of PIC: What=E2=80=99s the worst example of PIC abuse you know = of? The one that immediately comes to mind is an example I saw at = Tolerant (an 80=E2=80=99s era multi-processor computer company). The board diagrams, e.g the outline diagram of the printed circuit card = with the outlines of each IC and it=E2=80=99s label, AND the artwork of = the board edge connectors and switches (DB25, pushbuttone, etc). It looked like it was created by an artist in Ink. But of course, it was = done in PIC! Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications joe@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax > On Mar 7, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > I became troff buddies with him. I love troff and all the other = tools, > pic especially because you can read pic code and see the picture in = your > head. Richard and I shared that love for pic. He and I talked quite = a=20 > bit about how to do stuff in troff. Troff buddies is the best way to > describe what we had, we bonded over that but I wasn't close to him=20 > otherwise. Still miss him and our troff exchanges, he was a great=20 > guy, those books were the best in their day. >=20 > He was a lot like Dennis, willing to talk to you and educate you if = you > had a clue. >=20 > On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 07:23:55PM -0700, Adam Thornton wrote: >> The Richard Stevens books were huge here. I did not know him well = but >> emailed with him a few times in the year before he died. I never met = him >> in person but he was very kind to a much younger and more ignorant = me. >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 7:21 PM wojciech@koszek.com = >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Hello everyone, >>>=20 >>> I'm Wojciech Adam Koszek and I'm a new member here. After a short = stint >>> with Red Hat 6.0 and Slackware Linux around 2000-2001 (I think it = was >>> Slackware 7.0 or 7.1) my journey with UNIX started with FreeBSD 4.5. = I fell >>> in love with BSD and through Warner Losh, Robert Watson, and folks = from a >>> Polish UNIX scene, I became hooked. I ended up working with FreeBSD = for the >>> following 15 years or so. >>>=20 >>> Anyway: the volume of the UNIX literature back then in Poland was = scarce, >>> yet through a small bookstore and a friendly salesman I got myself a = "UNIX >>> Network Programming Volume 1" at a huge discount, and read it = back-to-back. >>>=20 >>> Looking back, his books had a huge impact on my life (I had all his = books, >>> and read everything line by line, with a slight exception of TCP/IP >>> illustrated vol 2, which I used as a reference), and while Stevens's >>> website sheds some light on what he did, I often wonder what is the = story >>> behind how his books came to be. It doesn't help he appeared a very = private >>> person--never have I seen a photo of him anywhere. >>>=20 >>> What was the reception of his books in the US? >>>=20 >>> Did you know him? Do you know any more details about what he did = after >>> 1990? >>>=20 >>> Thanks and take care, >>>=20 >>> Wojciech Adam Koszek >=20 > --=20 > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com = http://www.mcvoy.com/lm=20 --Apple-Mail=_FA3C6DB5-1B98-465A-B504-6D9991A78B74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Speaking of PIC: What=E2=80=99s the worst example of PIC = abuse you know of? The one that immediately comes to mind is an example = I saw at Tolerant (an 80=E2=80=99s era multi-processor
computer company).


The = board diagrams, e.g the outline diagram of the printed circuit card with = the outlines of each IC and it=E2=80=99s label, AND the artwork of the = board edge connectors and switches (DB25, pushbuttone, etc).
It looked like it was created by an artist in Ink. But of = course, it was done in PIC!


Joe = McGuckin
ViaNet Communications

joe@via.net
650-207-0372 cell
650-213-1302 = office
650-969-2124 fax

On Mar 7, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> = wrote:

I became troff buddies with him.  I love troff and all = the other tools,
pic especially because you can read pic = code and see the picture in your
head.  Richard and I = shared that love for pic.  He and I talked quite a
bit= about how to do stuff in troff.  Troff buddies is the best way = to
describe what we had, we bonded over that but I wasn't = close to him
otherwise.  Still miss him and our = troff exchanges, he was a great
guy, those books were the = best in their day.

He was a lot like = Dennis, willing to talk to you and educate you if you
had = a clue.

On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 07:23:55PM = -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
The Richard Stevens books were huge here.  I did not = know him well but
emailed with him a few times in the year = before he died.  I never met him
in person but he was = very kind to a much younger and more ignorant me.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 7:21 PM wojciech@koszek.com = <wojciech@koszek.com>
wrote:

Hello = everyone,

I'm Wojciech Adam Koszek and I'm = a new member here. After a short stint
with Red Hat 6.0 = and Slackware Linux around 2000-2001 (I think it was
Slackware 7.0 or 7.1) my journey with UNIX started with = FreeBSD 4.5. I fell
in love with BSD and through Warner = Losh, Robert Watson, and folks from a
Polish UNIX scene, I = became hooked. I ended up working with FreeBSD for the
following 15 years or so.

Anyway: = the volume of the UNIX literature back then in Poland was scarce,
yet through a small bookstore and a friendly salesman I got = myself a "UNIX
Network Programming Volume 1" at a huge = discount, and read it back-to-back.

Looking = back, his books had a huge impact on my life (I had all his books,
and read everything line by line, with a slight exception of = TCP/IP
illustrated vol 2, which I used as a reference), = and while Stevens's
website sheds some light on what he = did, I often wonder what is the story
behind how his books = came to be. It doesn't help he appeared a very private
person--never have I seen a photo of him anywhere.

What was the reception of his books in the = US?

Did you know him? Do you know any more = details about what he did after
1990?

Thanks and take care,

Wojciech = Adam Koszek

-- =
---
Larry McVoy =             =     lm at mcvoy.com =             http://www.mcvoy.com/lm =

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