From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13188 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2023 22:22:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Mar 2023 22:22:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABAC4126F; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:22:21 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1678314142; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Kqiy+YZFP3fZEWVCzkuHHXQlM48Dt5qvzn2xhTE7epE=; b=C61T7vc42Z76dPKeumosZsWFSRD0qD7MorjXPLHzetUsv/FHC7Yzuygbwx0UXTN0th+3Dh KPTgwZleGvRZeGzvgvlLgVxfxcXD1babmLbVgsZOKnbBzyZ5EZFKOVJ0y8UDCvSnOBlupu zwj9Ed90x35I8zUeS46njg13w6Wu5x8= Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch (mail-4325.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A494440A6D for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:22:16 +1000 (AEST) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2023 22:21:55 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1678314134; x=1678573334; bh=Kqiy+YZFP3fZEWVCzkuHHXQlM48Dt5qvzn2xhTE7epE=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=H5+VgZAmJ1fCz39+tay4WwfRlHk3X9BJQXXSYwU1WKEn/ljNOoysquBhtfcRSb7AV BVZqFLJk1PUu2OgV+8XYXfMcQwUyPgp0hkOpv6xoP6PS4OKjUQBrwtlboK87/O/Zvw xE0OG9+kxSPxqFItvBySG3kGL2xT0DoaToZ1DvSpNwhb5Sid2ikoaU9l+dKEuwI746 A8LBHlhgp76tWw0H+V+OtgjjmVG9kftbdk5JJnu2ZZ9oY8JPzrbpkLNPuCOLjah/U7 Nd5qm8z1MYaUChj7W+lNfAbkCwfnFTYShF8I1NiflEK1xqJ+kSEoiwttJMFgPA55FN qzPbM3sDtSCFQ== To: josh Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: QTUH3VXJSN2GEK3XGS4ZO3VAWHCLHR24 X-Message-ID-Hash: QTUH3VXJSN2GEK3XGS4ZO3VAWHCLHR24 X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco via TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fifth Edition Manual Restoration List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco I will add the caveat that typesetting accuracy isn't my primary goal altho= ugh it is a secondary one. My primary goal is easily diffable sources betw= een versions to then facilitate version analysis. I intend to take this sa= me approach to plenty of other documents we have lying around in scanned fo= rm to try and get a better machine-readable body of research material avail= able, including stuff like the Documents for UNIX PWB 1.0 and Release 4.1 s= ets and the CB-UNIX sources we have bumping around the archive. Part of my= reasoning on putting these in git archives as I go is so that if someone d= oes want to come do some editing, corrections, etc. they're free to fork or= raise a PR on my repositories. - Matt G. ------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, March 8th, 2023 at 12:32 PM, josh wrot= e: > Hi Angelo, >=20 > G. Branden Robinson, (CCed on this email) attempted a somewhat similar mi= ssion, > re-typesetting the paper "Typesetting Mathematics by Kernighan and Cherry= " with > groff. If you look through the email thread detailing the result [1], you= can > see notes about aesthetic regressions from the original troff document, a= nd > Branden's attempts to fix them. Hope you don't mind me summoning you, Bra= nden > :). >=20 > [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2022-07/msg00000.html >=20 > Additionally (though unrelated to roff), the Computerphile youtube channe= l has > a video [2] you may find interesting titled "Recreating Dennis Ritchie's = PhD > Thesis", in which they discuss how they went about making a faithful recr= eation > of dmr's unsubmitted PhD thesis. >=20 > [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D82TxNejKsng >=20 > Hope this generates some interesting discussion? :) > Josh >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:30=E2=80=AFAM Angelo Papenhoff aap@papnet.eu wr= ote: >=20 > > Something I'd like is to recreate the original troff output exactly. I > > used troff from plan 9 (so same lineage as original troff) but somethin= g > > causes the output to not look exactly like the original. I don't > > remember what it is exactly but you can easily check by comparing my > > pdfs with the scan. Line lengths, page length, something like that. > >=20 > > I don't know if this is just a troff setting or if troff had changed > > enough to cause this difference. Unfortunately the original troff is > > lost so no way to compare. v7 (or PWB?) is the earliest version of trof= f > > that's still around. And even then one would need CAT emulation, which = I > > haven't bothered with yet. > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Angelo > >=20 > > On 08/03/23, segaloco wrote: > >=20 > > > Ouch....well I'm glad I shared then, I had no idea someone had alread= y done this....well good to know, I guess I can move on to the CB and MERT = manuals then. > > >=20 > > > - Matt G. > > >=20 > > > ------- Original Message ------- > > > On Wednesday, March 8th, 2023 at 2:02 AM, Angelo Papenhoff aap@papnet= .eu wrote: > > >=20 > > > > I've done this a couple of years ago: > > > > http://squoze.net/UNIX > > > >=20 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Angelo > > > >=20 > > > > On 08/03/23, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > > So I decided to keep the momentum and have just finished the firs= t pass of a Fifth Edition manual restoration based on the same process I us= ed for 3B20 4.1: > > > > >=20 > > > > > https://gitlab.com/segaloco/v5man > > > > >=20 > > > > > There were a few pages missing from the extant PDF scan, at least= as far as pages that were in both V4 and V6 sources, so those are handled = by seeing how V5 source of the few programs compares to V6. I'll note which= pages required this in a second pass. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I've set my sights on V1 and V2 next, using V3's extant roff sour= ces as a starting point, so more to come. > > > > >=20 > > > > > - Matt G.