From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20, HTML_MESSAGE,LOTS_OF_MONEY,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c48eeaf1 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 14:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6645EA18CB; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:41:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41789EDE8; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:41:24 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=serissa.com header.i=@serissa.com header.b=oa+lF95P; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b=ce+XMeXs; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DCCFA9EDE8; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:41:22 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 438 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:41:21 AEST Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6AC69B5D7 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:41:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C55A21BF3; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:34:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=serissa.com; h= cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; bh=qQMKInvt7Y1LTYlUHEAu266mXNSBFafBvIQqQ9em8T8=; b=oa+lF95P 7VMfVx8gK0WpnTS1aE9ZTEFA0w9D2AGoeK3jTvG0mK0E+kgyX8+3GxK9YsqI5+bJ LVzoSgMSZOyX+NjynuCgvHQ22RSPRmAqcyk2tgWGNj75nXKiihb70OrHaMy5wukl a/gnPY70LTJi8b/8Iiw83us1zCcO8yusCCSjhqYVXuIRwGbBWMi83qL1PeFZXmNF T8Y43vebnzrhLBaAASIZLpFWYj5OnzaYTm0J91wt7sglMptW66bYjoc30lRlLNPR UhZz9bMgks0IoQp7H0pOcaVp0xAfkMQB1EQqdcwk03XbMrSbQrM/BxtI1j9ltcE2 7P6O/HKQFzlcJg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=qQMKInvt7Y1LTYlUHEAu266mXNSBF afBvIQqQ9em8T8=; b=ce+XMeXsVAzhl0Uk4/FYXNwVcueUR+VZ/cqI/PnJFwcIx 2LwqMmUOlCJdOsgXIuxdNFAwvt+WP78kO9XyE0skyJr0cZxq09babivmczrMML8T fKQTAg+F3RDLmbqf574XRX/QQVhboLhLUzjBXwqlhX5q15r4paEqUFqnYWCVPEmj j1VcH9PPHiRbCiglLdEMXbp/UCBMeCh7RQIIf3sjkDNRGkBcM+tL+8r7JhberWx6 9UwumMB5RrNYnHy9hhLLMyoZi1SmGkILJC0dAT18m40919bL65gfhZbHX5e0X9ba ppN0OAw7PDwRNQS/r9RKN83jLq/eJsORZIXIAEBHA== X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: from kailua-display.stewart.org (pool-72-93-248-12.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.93.248.12]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0ADF210298; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Stewart Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_48926BEB-E85E-4F61-90E6-7C3C9CAC07A8" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:34:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Clem Cole References: <20180616134928.1574518C0A7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Subject: Re: [TUHS] core X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society , Noel Chiappa Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_48926BEB-E85E-4F61-90E6-7C3C9CAC07A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 5-10K for a grad student seems low for the late =E2=80=9870s. I was an = RA at Stanford then and they paid about $950/month. The loaded cost = would have been about twice that. My lab had an 11/34 with V7 and we considered ourselves quite well off. -L > On 2018, Jun 16, at 10:10 AM, Clem Cole wrote: >=20 > Thanks, I thought it was about 10 years earlier. It means that the = 16 bit systems were definitely the norm and the 32 bit system were well = under design and the micros already birthed. That said, as I pointed = out in my paper last summer, in 1977, a PDP-11 that was able to run UNIX = (11/34 with max memory) ran between $50-150K depending how it was = configured and an 11/70 was closer to $250K. To scale, In 2017 = dollars, we calculated that comes to $208K/$622K/$1M and as I also = pointed out, a graduate researcher in those days cost about $5-$10K per = year. >=20 > =E1=90=A7 --Apple-Mail=_48926BEB-E85E-4F61-90E6-7C3C9CAC07A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 5-10K= for a grad student seems low for the late =E2=80=9870s.  I was an = RA at Stanford then and they paid about $950/month.  The loaded = cost would have been about twice that.

My lab had an 11/34 with V7 and we = considered ourselves quite well off.

-L

On 2018, = Jun 16, at 10:10 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

Thanks, I thought it = was  about 10 years earlier.   It means that the 16 bit = systems were  definitely the norm and the 32 bit system were well = under design and the micros already birthed.  That said, as I = pointed out in my paper last summer, in 1977, a PDP-11 that was able to = run UNIX (11/34 with max memory) ran between $50-150K depending how it = was configured and an 11/70 was closer to $250K.   To scale, = In 2017 dollars, we calculated that comes to $208K/$622K/$1M and as I = also pointed out, a graduate researcher in those days cost about $5-$10K = per year.

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