From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07832125B for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:37:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0F7426B3; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 23:37:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl [195.121.94.186]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 166ED426B1 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 23:37:04 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 7c1623c2-b9f4-11ee-90ec-00505699b430 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.6]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 7c1623c2-b9f4-11ee-90ec-00505699b430; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:37:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=to:message-id:date:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=ebbfpYBfe6LprR6stbHnvkq7FsCo8Xx+Z+GqkDLhikY=; b=JlisBJpUXjShpSwW06EpyaGbKuSDIRBbAgN/+ytyxuT+ld8MVbSwPijtjKJz54srSp+9OKyrZVc6j 0DY/Qr/ihs/mytiwAHh+BgGg+e0cP+JUn3cVSr+slB2U/dm94bop1ZfTKBW9wLkTpqBz5Lfu03yZCE /SNqHqViaqEL+yjg= X-KPN-MID: 33|6O7KJcEMmhNxg5QRmABwP04q+vj8GyxnThGmDU5GZ9cyRTm5p2i9KmbD0oVey6T KQI7SjdCdpxe+m5PAkME97VXqKc/fv90jMjL4wYOzLFg= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|bHpkSGZ2lthdegir2rTLzahwQR/sqQ7xuXcJn+/xd8Hpf0OtMbJefK9NYOx5N2W ASI2yBmTmbT7dvUyCv4l2MA== X-Originating-IP: 77.172.38.96 Received: from smtpclient.apple (77-172-38-96.fixed.kpn.net [77.172.38.96]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 7a5dab14-b9f4-11ee-9dc8-00505699772e; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:36:59 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.15\)) From: Paul Ruizendaal In-Reply-To: <20240122212953.6CA5718C084@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:36:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20240122212953.6CA5718C084@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> To: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.15) Message-ID-Hash: SXNLC4GDO4NUHE2HVGGNTLWPLAYKCXNJ X-Message-ID-Hash: SXNLC4GDO4NUHE2HVGGNTLWPLAYKCXNJ X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Noel Chiappa X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Mills' initial implementation of FTP - best citation? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On 22 Jan 2024, at 22:29, Noel Chiappa = wrote: >=20 > Maybe the "needing clarification" refers to these two different FTP's? = Without > an explicit classifier, does that text refer to NCP FTP or TCP FTP? >=20 > Noel That is a good point. I looked at a longer section of his talk and = indeed the FTP reference is part of his discussion the NCP->TCP = transition. Here it becomes easier to find references to support the = claim. The strongest one that I could find is in the TCP-IP Digest mailing list = from that era. The first issue has a summary of what is already out = there and David Mills work is mentioned: = https://jaist-g.dl.sourceforge.jp/pub/RFC/museum/tcp-ip-digest/tcp-ip-dige= st.v1n1.1 =3D=3D=3D=3D COMSAT Date: 30 Apr 1980 From: Dave Mills 1. The TCP/IP implementation here runs in an LSI-11 with a homegrown=20= operating system compatible in most respects to RT-11. Besides the=20 TCP/IP levels the system includes many of the common high-level=20 protocols used in the ARPANET community, such as TELNET, FTP and=20 XNET. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Although this date precedes the date of the RFC by a few months, I do = believe that it is correct and not a typo. For example, IEN-194 (July = 1981) discusses the system from a perspective of experience, not of = recently completed code. All that said, I wonder if =E2=80=9Cdoing the first FTP=E2=80=9D is a = true reflection of his contribution in this era. After all, porting NCP = FTP to TCP FTP is not all that big a deal (see for instance = https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DBBN-Vax-TCP/src/ftp). Maybe = the sentence on Wikipedia should say that beyond NTP, he was an = important contributor to several other early internet protocols.=