From: johnl@johnlabovitz.com (John Labovitz)
Subject: [TUHS] Why Linux not another PC/UNIX [was Mach for i386 ...]
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:31:56 -0800 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.02.1702220054580.44550@frieza.hoshinet.org>
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> On Feb 21, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Steve Nickolas <usotsuki at buric.co> wrote:
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> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017, Clem Cole wrote:
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>> See my comment to Dan. I fear you may not have known where to look, or whom
>> to ask. As I asked Dan, were you not at an university at time? Or where
>> you running a Sun or the like -- i.e. working with real UNIX but working
>> for someone with binary license, not sources from AT&T (and UCB)?
>
> No, and no. I was in high school, actually, and I only attended college - a local 2-year school - for one semester before dropping out because I couldn't handle it.
Apologies for the late response, but just wanted to chime in to say that I, too, was in a position similar to Steve’s.
As a teenager around 1982, I’d been fortunate enough to sneak my way onto the ARPAnet (via a DOD TAC dialup in DC), and had wrangled accounts on MIT-CCC (a V6 machine) and Brookhaven National Lab (V7 on an 11/44). I believe both machines had source (CCC definitely did), and I enjoyed perusing the code.
Instead of going to college, I moved west to the Bay Area, and no longer had local dialup access to the ARPAnet (not to mention Unix source code), so moved over to UUCP. I ported the UUCP/NNTP code to Mac OS (classic, not OS X) using the Lightspeed C compiler, splurged on a Telebit Trailblazer, and somehow convinced some very kind person at MIPS to call my modem in Sonoma County once an hour. For a time, I think I had the only Mac-based UUCP node — sly.graton.ca.us. I still regret not releasing my port.
At some point there in the late eighties, I had the bright idea to start a small Unix ISP, and bought (with too many $$$) what I recall was an ESIX system, on a big 386 tower. I remember SVR4 (?) feeling pretty corporate and sterile, and there definitely was no source. I can’t remember why I couldn’t/didn’t buy a BSDi system — maybe too expensive? Spent too much time writing code, not enough time actually getting the ISP up, but the experience was educational.
A few years hence, I worked for O’Reilly & Associates (also in Sonoma County) on Global Network Navigator, the first commercial web publication. We had a few Sun workstations, but mostly these clunky monochrome X terminals. So the idea of Linux — a downloadable, hackable, personal, fun, almost punk-rock Unix, easily installable on a fairly generic 386 machine (once I downloaded the fifty-odd diskette images) was pretty damned appealing. And because my previous experience had been mostly V6 and V7 (with only a smattering of BSD), the supposed difference between Linux and “real Unix" felt quite minimal to me.
—John
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Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-02-22 3:38 Clem Cole
2017-02-22 4:28 ` Dan Cross
2017-02-22 15:36 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22 16:11 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22 17:00 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22 17:06 ` Chet Ramey
2017-02-22 18:24 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22 19:35 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22 20:18 ` arnold
2017-02-22 22:11 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22 21:34 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22 22:56 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22 23:13 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22 23:51 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22 23:51 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2017-02-23 19:15 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-23 20:31 ` Random832
2017-02-23 22:48 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-24 2:07 ` Jason Stevens
2017-02-23 23:06 ` Wesley Parish
2017-02-22 17:41 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-02-22 21:00 ` Michael Kerpan
2017-02-22 22:03 ` Arno Griffioen
2017-02-22 22:51 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22 23:29 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-23 4:53 ` Gregg Levine
2017-02-22 22:18 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-24 3:53 ` Dan Cross
2017-02-22 5:56 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-24 5:31 ` John Labovitz [this message]
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