From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17591 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2023 01:05:42 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jul 2023 01:05:42 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162AA42A7E; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:05:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (pb-smtp1.pobox.com [64.147.108.70]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6E8A42A61 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:05:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46613193AD0; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 21:05:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h= content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject :date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; s=sasl; bh=2zRhPQ 2zGfNbsbVkF4aZBkKQvM4ycZ1Jf+apyN/SJ14=; b=GIKzwoIoI2horNRDc2oS+N tfwP9gpPEgboxogUYg2NcsoN7jf6d/ZsZs3wryti51WsokLp904RrOQZhHopO53y vOhMjaP+hcVr+HexvfQIZNrgFoURQprbP1FQ4PIzmoMBxU3I18xjEHteqNZCWVFi tEE1FlCy62aPoZeQPbe/4= Received: from pb-smtp1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDAE193ACF; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 21:05:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [203.132.93.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84F3A193ACE; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 21:05:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:05:08 +1000 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: segaloco X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20F75) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 82C85C82-21E2-11EE-A9DE-C65BE52EC81B-29049682!pb-smtp1.pobox.com Message-ID-Hash: FLZU6OFHPRWDC2WWEER6MEQZLOIX2FWP X-Message-ID-Hash: FLZU6OFHPRWDC2WWEER6MEQZLOIX2FWP X-MailFrom: davida@pobox.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Bell COBOL Environment? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On 14 Jul 2023, at 08:36, segaloco via TUHS wrote: =E2=80=A6 > Since that transition often involved change in enough other aspects of an o= peration, moving to UNIX with the same COBOL applications just wasn't the pa= th to success for most folks, I think that=E2=80=99s fair, and certainly true of the COBOL system I knew (= late 80s). For us, a move to Unix would have been a complete re-architect, re-code, and= replacement of basically all hardware. 3270 terminals, LU6.2 networking, C= ICS transaction monitor, ISAM datasets, all the batch jobs and their JCL, to= say nothing of the two (redundant) 3090=E2=80=99s and the sea of DASD, mons= ter printers, etc. The retraining or replacement of staff would have been o= verwhelming as well.=20 The closest I could get was writing some CICS transactions in C, but it wasn= =E2=80=99t worth the uphill battle. The only solution was to be acquired by a more modern company and throw the l= ot out! d=