From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1B62023B for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DD143A78; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 05:11:14 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1718824274; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=lrbazDyWoneGmNwklYTWfO5gbxIaIX0eJc+yr39tlaw=; b=y1hzAARE2z6wqEiEIHpExMiYaKezgKjItgP9bOZtX3LOg+ezhYNfWEJ44ED3Yk3ucmI9iO Omr5YFDqE1DdukYf1OvM2Y3paIuR78qCi2+iLr4R3sX5c3+Af1n8BvkvHWrAWchesFQkYW mtdQ2j6IRzB/yQfVUOHilPiPcoPu7hE= Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch (mail-40135.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.135]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5E7E43A68 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 05:11:06 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1718824264; x=1719083464; bh=lrbazDyWoneGmNwklYTWfO5gbxIaIX0eJc+yr39tlaw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=kR7B6DaTTt8DG+jEJ0Sstj6z83dLhQXUMNWSE/jM3gFEazwxs2JYw9Nlrd+DBoUM+ wjciqfQtFC9gpH77dfYMATGJ6W+nk/mf/bNosSqZ1+0T/vT8bX166MZpFH6cJyTGLX qkUcepO5yywI2mtllzPvQNd7WgS/jUmkJPmCqOl14yDMM+bHqQ5U0J/z/7BZyMdvD6 /4Wae00ab/mb1JhW9oUHnm5ZWT1TPaPY7eKj7gfpgxuB4S5FXG+BgTOoQ+3Ix6ZQGa aCFDhQCml1oUoimurRiL4FDm8kGbonEDQv4D6r4/Cv7XDWlpgEl5V12KwDmgurw39Q eKrsFznLtQ9jw== Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 19:10:59 +0000 To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1c8abcf6-5997-3c9e-7d08-b941b34089db@bitsavers.org> References: <202406190655.45J6tkVP902384@freefriends.org> <1c8abcf6-5997-3c9e-7d08-b941b34089db@bitsavers.org> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 9b9b57e1c873a7cb0d7b8f56a304716a21b0adba MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: QL6EPGBL6FBWQNFM442IQ6SJRVRKEMQ2 X-Message-ID-Hash: QL6EPGBL6FBWQNFM442IQ6SJRVRKEMQ2 X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Unix single-machine licensing (was Re: Re: ACM Software System Award to Andrew S. Tanenbaum for MINIX) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco On Wednesday, June 19th, 2024 at 9:00 AM, Al Kossow wro= te: > On 6/19/24 8:47 AM, Clem Cole wrote: >=20 > > That's how I remember Otis Wilson explaining it to us as commercial lic= ensees at a licensing meeting in the early 1980s. > > We had finally completed the PWB 3.0 license to replace the V7 commerci= al license (AT&T would rename this System III - but we knew it as PWB > > 3.) during the negociations Summit had already moved on to the next ver= sion - PWB 4.0. IMO: Otis was not ready to start that process again. >=20 >=20 > Is the really early history of Unix licensing documented anywhere? > The work on reviving a Plexus P20 prompted me to put up the history of On= yx and Plexus at > http://bitsavers.org/pdf/plexus/history and a long time ago someone who w= orked at Fortune > told me we can all thank Onyx in 1980 for working out the single machine = licensing with > AT&T I've got a stack of license specimens as well as a bit of correspondence be= tween MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Raytheon, and Western Electric discussing UNIX lice= nses for single CPUs. The correspondence (circa 1980) concerns V7 licenses for = a PDP-11/44 (MIT LL) and PDP-11/45 (Raytheon). The license specimens are in = two groups, one set that has blanks and/or generic language describing "Licensed Software" and a second set specifically issued for UNIX System II= I. The licenses have document codes: - Software-Corp.-020173-020182-2 - Software Agreement between AT&T and - Software-Customer CPU-052776-090180-2 - Customer CPU Agreement between and - Supp. Ag.-Time Sharing-020178-010180-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Time Sha= ring) between Western Electric Company, Incorporated and - Supp. Ag.-Customer CPU-020178-010180-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Customer= CPU) between Western Electric Company, Incorporated and - Supp. Ag.-Cust. Spec.-020181-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Customer Softwar= e, Specified Number of Users) between Western Electric Company, Incorporate= d and - Cont. CPU-060181-1 - Contractor CPU Agreement between and - Sys. III-Corp.-110181-040182-2 - Software Agreement between AT&T and for UNIX System III - Sys. III-Cust.-010182-041582-2 - Supplemental Agreement (Customer Provisi= ons) between AT&T and for UNIX System III Would scans of these documents help? The licenses at least should be fine = as they're specimen copies with no PII. Regarding the correspondence, ther= e is one letter on DARPA letterhead (from MIT LL to WECo), two on WECo lett= erhead (one back to MIT LL, the other to Raytheon) and then one on AT&T let= terhead responding generically to an uinquiry regarding UNIX System III lic= ensing. Does anyone foresee issues with scanning the correspondence, or is= that the sort of thing that might get me shipped off to some black site? - Matt G.