From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30573 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2022 23:23:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Dec 2022 23:23:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3164241A; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 09:22:31 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1670800951; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=EvssM7mVkkjMmdqxFJ+uhhTTBj/izTC1aTyesdOiIho=; b=iuKtjahndNnPpZcQuQXoqid9hg+Q1Ief509m5Sb5AKIx+7+K4oXxgTHB0/fYQVvmAHL8Ka izztBzdsziur/TPandJThJcf+aSaNnsizGRjOxR1yg3wd38U57eJbssi2vjpKeC34GJuvF XBXboMhevP+FBL050JAokGeaKRnk2KM= Received: from mail-40130.protonmail.ch (mail-40130.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.130]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F96842418 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 09:22:27 +1000 (AEST) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 23:22:14 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1670800944; x=1671060144; bh=EvssM7mVkkjMmdqxFJ+uhhTTBj/izTC1aTyesdOiIho=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=yZy9OZvDV6Z7WnsGklPDcj7dJAO5NN8cLP5V2ZIOmKEGCkWZX/aE6qhORv6nb9Dzz 0+l1EGEZYHcGWB0GC8JtByICAyQWulCuH+OOv4jqlg25H9/iWVH+F47/y7nzolve0o PB+gMRFBC0hmNfoBJvcQXHSkr8iNU//qUJrKO6IfD7j4DTghOvL3nSxn2IdJAVDU2a r6WrljiEfDnKj3KplzCz0OzCGsNdmwnSoA7B3JlysXSC9V6j2DgIocOjpXHT/zZTus 631e7ygA+iW5JaLTZIaosNprqsow2VvRvXZy3s2vIr7tCG8gkMMGVPGsZwnac/KmUX X/TAQRgkgw9jw== To: Larry McVoy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20221211200327.GC8801@mcvoy.com> References: <9QJtlCA0hfDuNuwOqorx1uC2eSGOiIBu0hgsVAaKclEWUw4Gi9PAjJoZgcOF7W6rRCw4XqM3wBZMavgF_HEH4GR2WuczKF5w_tZAjAXgzlE=@protonmail.com> <3161f965-99d2-4f7a-aa35-a30837ae8e37@home.arpa> <7e7aed8b-30c6-4704-8fbf-4faee5a48a79@home.arpa> <20221211200327.GC8801@mcvoy.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: DKLYLURRHGINYZOXYSKDKBVNH2T2MGCE X-Message-ID-Hash: DKLYLURRHGINYZOXYSKDKBVNH2T2MGCE X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco X-Spam: Yes Readable code also contributes to easier documentation. It's easier to mai= ntain a manual when you can just translate the code into the local language= . My current team started small and I learned pretty soon that time invest= ed in a habit of readable code meant less time spent providing the person a= ssigned documentation the juicy details. - Matt G. ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, December 11th, 2022 at 12:03 PM, Larry McVoy wrot= e: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 06:55:31AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: >=20 > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2022, Michael Kj??rling wrote: > >=20 > > > By definition, if you write code as cleverly as you can, then you are= n't > > > clever enough to debug it... > >=20 > > Indeed... > >=20 > > I've always used the maxim "Write code as though the next person to > > maintain it is an axe-wielding psychopath who knows where you live". >=20 >=20 > My main job, for the 20 years until I retired, was to keep telling > people that code that you wrote 6 months ago might as well have been > written by someone else. Optimize for reading the code, not writing > the code. It's read many. >=20 > 99.9% of the time, I detest clever code. .1% of the time, I need it. > The problem is that smart engineers adore writing clever code. They > usually, eventually, wise up.