From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14836 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2023 01:27:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Sep 2023 01:27:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F65410DF; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:27:05 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1695173225; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=zBq3/onObM5EpCKxIFZcrhj700SbF2tSH6rlq5td6kk=; b=D0tRhAzsId3wTvdlzt/ag9cLV4dNtUdEMnqbUrM8UxsQW7xAJxddRK4XKYApBwBraCH4zR Cqm1FdWeZG0QDB/pTOru1hkcQmNhbKnYaLwrdszddovJufX/rgoxzBbqb486d001PfN0CK E5LuU6ITPFQOpEzZChIy+2RlOJLSarc= Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0051A410DD for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:26:57 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1695173215; x=1695432415; bh=zBq3/onObM5EpCKxIFZcrhj700SbF2tSH6rlq5td6kk=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=rUKkwA7MABJArReV9vcamMMULYoQiDDSaXJHf7/iBB/7RnXvdIYOw0nPNojkSnx/q 5tOdN9cwGYbwXvYGKUI92zoCmSPi3fb60DPijPj0OJk7IpIySwHVHHuavlyBprSkok 6OU8kNbCC0rE2BMOdMl0R2ReIaKynGN0sgKu1N7JubmtITb6o8ul9wsR2H+RJWiBP4 YB1zChHUCYuyV7ymDwoDIBKhyeXlMCNmb7/YNnub67RvvbqV3TC/Jo/S18Hbd1a4Z3 OJ/zWbTKjBbRuNqMK/b5r0Tlno/MGzmSMyHiwuQ5P9xEF4276ezKJiTgoBjDLkVml8 O1JhboHWSJVPw== Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:26:47 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20230919233925.GB28844@mcvoy.com> References: <4CmySC-mFud1dlrqfAq1itmNKoTWVi8cTuAqCvtUengKvv5CWEoYCFf6-I18dwf5BVSZWAxC-B6BP6Y1e0Gi_mlga344b5cxu5TlUCLXHeg=@protonmail.com> <20230919233925.GB28844@mcvoy.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: FPEROKUW2LGNYSJNIC72CTQHPYMEKS6F X-Message-ID-Hash: FPEROKUW2LGNYSJNIC72CTQHPYMEKS6F X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Project Idea: The UNIX Programmer's Manual: Heritage Edition List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco > I'd start with groff. >=20 > So I'm a little off topic but if people wanted to work on that, I'd be > up for that project. It's not as big as what you are saying but it's > pretty big, I think we just start with something, see if we can get > debian/ubuntu to pick it up, lather, rinse repeat. In fact if we > just get the groff project to pick up our stuff, all the distros will > get that eventually. >=20 > -- > --- > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat That's an excellent point, the beauty of UNIX being a granular system is th= at such an effort wouldn't need to be a "start at page 1 and finish at page= whatever", but could be done piecemeal. Groff would also be a great candi= date due to the preponderance of supporting secondary papers, like the NROF= F/TROFF manual, different macro definitions, etc. That does then get into = the prospect of the secondary papers too, likewise excellent references to = this day on a number of subjects that I personally would love to have moder= nized versions of. Well if anyone catches wind of such a project kicking off in some way elsew= here, know that I'm certainly interested in what I can contribute. What my= work towards this eventual goal will probably continue to look like for no= w though is just doing my diff analysis of manual versions, as one of my pr= inciple goals there was to identify the apparent last common ancestor of Re= search, PWB, and BSD lineages, at least as far as documentation is concerne= d. Common sense would just say research V7 but there are little tidbits he= re and there between V6 and V7 that don't show up in other places, just tin= y little nuanced things for the most part. I haven't done this part of the= analysis at all but a causal glance at a 32V manual diffed with a V7 manua= l reveals some changes that don't appear to be related to the portability w= ork. But I'm not going to comment on that further without analysis to back= it up, just some anecdotal observations at present. > Why (and when) did GNU drop the HISTORY section from its man pages? > > Adam Did GNU ever have a HISTORY section? I just plucked a couple books off the= shelf, I don't see HISTORY in the V10, 4.4BSD, or SVR4 books, so probably = a later invention in the BSD line that didn't get picked up by other UNIX-l= ikes? Looking at a few illumos manpages, they also don't appear to have a = HISTORY section. They appear to be there on macOS, probably as a result of= the FreeBSD origins of macOS user space. That said, I also appreciate the= HISTORY section, it's tipped me off to things to study that I didn't know = on a few occasions. - Matt G.