From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: jasomill@shaffstall.com (Jason T. Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:17:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: RX02 diskettes Message-ID: > And in those cases, you loose as well. The RX02 uses a micro-engine to > control the drive. No chip controller can switch density in the middle > of > the track, so RX02 floppies will forever be in the domain of RX02 drives > only. Funny thing. I read 'em on my PS/2. I Am Not Making This Up. No prefabricated single-chip floppy controller, methinks... -jtm Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA38020 for pups-liszt; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:01:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA38016 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:01:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from SHOPPA at timaxp.trailing-edge.com) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:59:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:59:09 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa To: PUPS at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: <000609165909.20200fd8 at trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE (was Re: RX50 on RQDX3 on 2.11BSD) Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others) > read this list for. I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least that's the impression I got from the headers indicating it was a direct reply to his message), but that doesn't make much sense because what he wrote about was *exactly* on target for what this list is about: Running Unix on PDP-11's. OK, his jabs at Solaris probably weren't exactly on topic, but let's look at what else he discussed: * The disklabel implementation on 2.11BSD and its roots in other Unices. * The history of MSCP drivers in 2.11BSD and other BSD-derived Unices. * Efficient use of DHQ and DHV async multiplexers in Unix. * The history of sh, csh, and tcsh, some introduction to how they use overlays on PDP-11 Unices, and the application of split I/D techniques to their operation. All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa at trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA38149 for pups-liszt; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:23:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from baoule.ath.cx (daemon at ppp-44-48-96.wmar.club-internet.fr [213.44.48.96]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA38142 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:23:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gqueri at mail.dotcom.fr) Received: (from gael at localhost) by baoule.ath.cx (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e59LKp129969 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:20:51 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:20:51 +0200 From: Gael Queri To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: tcsh on 2.11BSD Message-ID: <20000609232051.A28762 at baoule.ath.cx> References: <200006082258.IAA05733 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.11i In-Reply-To: ; from jasomill at shaffstall.com on Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 08:13:49AM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16 Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 08:13:49AM -0500, Jason T. Miller wrote: > > I thought there was a port of an early tcsh to 2.*BSD? Maybe I have poor > > memory. Anyway, I believe that Minix has a very tiny editline(), which > > could be squeezed into the 2.11BSD csh to give you command-line editing. > Yup. There's a tcsh included in 2.11BSD; thing is, I'm partial to the > Bourne shell. Hence, a project. And did you try to do something with pdksh? It's smaller than tcsh and it has filename completion and support for reentrant history (contrary to bash) look at ftp.cs.mun.ca:/pub/pdksh/ Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA38483 for pups-liszt; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:25:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (root at nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA38479 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:25:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from obrien at NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root at trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03297; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien at dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien at localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA60924; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:23:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:23:55 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Tim Shoppa Cc: PUPS at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE (was Re: RX50 on RQDX3 on 2.11BSD) Message-ID: <20000609152354.A60849 at dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien at NUXI.com References: <000609165909.20200fd8 at trailing-edge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <000609165909.20200fd8 at trailing-edge.com>; from SHOPPA at trailing-edge.com on Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 04:59:09PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 04:59:09PM -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote: > > This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others) > > read this list for. > > I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least Yes, I wrote it in reply to Steven's message. Not it as not directed directly at Steven, it is for everyone that is engaged in this hardware discussion. > All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing > list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the > subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for? This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before, but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this hardware. I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I guess one needs to be created) would be possible. -- -- David (obrien at NUXI.com) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA39191 for pups-liszt; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:34:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA39187 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:34:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from SHOPPA at timaxp.trailing-edge.com) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:32:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:32:24 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa To: PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU Message-Id: <000609213224.20200fd8 at trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE (was Re: RX50 on RQDX3 on 2.11BSD) Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >> > This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others) >> > read this list for. >> >> I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least >Yes, I wrote it in reply to Steven's message. Not it as not directed >directly at Steven, it is for everyone that is engaged in this hardware >discussion. Actually, Steven did a *very* good job at turning a hardware-oriented discussion to issues very much related to the history and maintainence of Unix. Besides, if anyone here wants to really know about RX50 interleaving, they should go read one of CJL's posts from the Lasnerian early 90's to alt.sys.pdp8/PDP8-LOVERS about RX50 interleave. I swear, it was a tome that was a good chunk of a megabyte long. >> All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing >> list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the >> subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for? >This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before, >but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the >first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be >gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware >discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this >hardware. I view it the other way - the original posts offered little historical insight, but the last one by Steven drew it very much back to Unix. >I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I >guess one needs to be created) would be possible. Indeed, there is a PDP-11 mailing list (info-pdp11 at village.org) already, gatewayed to the Usenet newsgroup vmsnet.pdp-11. To a large extent, though, you can't blame members of the PUPS mailing list from occasionally straying from "Unix in general" to the "PDP-11 in particular", because that's a good part of what the list was originally created for (even though you might not have joined until the The Unix Heritage Society solidified...) If there was a more general "Unix Heritage Society" mailing list, would platform-specific discussions be banned from that? I probably would be bored to tears by any such restrictions, as there would be no opportunities to give concrete examples. Tim. Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA39261 for pups-liszt; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:57:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (root at wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA39257 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:57:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grog at wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog at localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA63170; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:24:48 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:24:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Tim Shoppa , PUPS at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE (was Re: RX50 on RQDX3 on 2.11BSD) Message-ID: <20000610112448.K81728 at wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <000609165909.20200fd8 at trailing-edge.com> <20000609152354.A60849 at dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000609152354.A60849 at dragon.nuxi.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Friday, 9 June 2000 at 15:23:55 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 04:59:09PM -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote: >>> This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others) >>> read this list for. >> >> I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least > > Yes, I wrote it in reply to Steven's message. Not it as not directed > directly at Steven, it is for everyone that is engaged in this hardware > discussion. > >> All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing >> list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the >> subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for? > > This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before, > but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the > first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be > gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware > discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this > hardware. > > I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I > guess one needs to be created) would be possible. Well, FWIW this *is* the PDP-11 list. But I thought it was interesting way beyond the PDP-11 aspect. Some of these things (write-protected labels, for example) still shape FreeBSD, for example. I don't think we really have enough mail to justify two lists. Most of us probably ditch more than 50% of their mail every day anyway; if this doesn't interest you, why not just delete it? Greg -- Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers