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@ 2001-02-16 18:47 ` Bill Gunshannon
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From: Bill Gunshannon @ 2001-02-16 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw)



Two questions/observations. 

The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11.  Is there anywhere that
is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
VAX??  I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 
was.  We almost lost that one.  I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
software some of which actually loads.

Which brings me to my next and much more on topic question.

How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a real device??
Is it just a dd of the raw device or is there some software needed
to make the move??  And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
emulators that would be able to use this??  If so, I would be glad
to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive.  (Assuming
I can use the Ultrix-32 system that shares these disks to make the
image.)

All the best.

bill

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 01:47:24PM -0500, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> 
> Two questions/observations. 
> 
> The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
> my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11.  Is there anywhere that
> is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
> VAX??  I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 
> was.  We almost lost that one.  I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
> software some of which actually loads.

Is Ultrix-32 covered by the standard license from SCO? And did DEQ
release it to the world under the same conditions as Ultrix-11?

I think I have recent Ultrix-32 on CDROM here somewhere.

Wilko

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In article by Bill Gunshannon:
> Two questions/observations. 
> 
> The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
> my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11.  Is there anywhere that
> is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
> VAX??  I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 
> was.  We almost lost that one.  I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
> software some of which actually loads.

Ultrix-32 isn't covered by the SCO license (well, they didn't create it),
and we haven't obtained a release from DEC/Compaq, unlike Ultrix-11. So
while hidden away in the Archive are various versions of Ultrix-32, I
cannot make them available.

Does anybody have contacts inside Compaq so we could persue a release?
 
> How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a real device??

Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all.


> And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
> RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
> emulators that would be able to use this??  If so, I would be glad
> to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive.
> bill

Yes please!

	Warren

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From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.scranton.edu>
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Warren Toomey wrote:

> In article by Bill Gunshannon:
> > Two questions/observations. 
> > 
> > The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
> > my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11.  Is there anywhere that
> > is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
> > VAX??  I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 
> > was.  We almost lost that one.  I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
> > software some of which actually loads.
> 
> Ultrix-32 isn't covered by the SCO license (well, they didn't create it),
> and we haven't obtained a release from DEC/Compaq, unlike Ultrix-11. So
> while hidden away in the Archive are various versions of Ultrix-32, I
> cannot make them available.

OK, I didn't know.  I had thought that Ultrix-32 was also derived from
32V, but maybe not. I'll have to hold onto my tapes a little longer.

> 
> Does anybody have contacts inside Compaq so we could persue a release?
>  

Hmmmm.  I wonder if anyone on comp.os.vms might know??

> > How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a real device??
> 
> Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all.

To a tape??  What about just dumping it to a file on another disk??

> 
> 
> > And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
> > RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
> > emulators that would be able to use this??  If so, I would be glad
> > to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive.
> > bill
> 
> Yes please!

Which emulator might I be able to test this out on??  Or do I need to
find something other than an RA81 to dump??

bill

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In article by Bill Gunshannon:
> > Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all.
> To a tape??  What about just dumping it to a file on another disk??

Yep, that works too!

> > > And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
> > > RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
> > > emulators that would be able to use this??
> > Yes please!
> 
> Which emulator might I be able to test this out on??  Or do I need to
> find something other than an RA81 to dump??
> bill

What PDP-11 model do you have? Then I can tell you what emulators will
be suitable.

Thanks,
	Warren

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:

> On 16 Feb, robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk wrote:
> 
> > FP11 floating point processor (I think)
> I thought the FPU is part of the J11 chip? Or is this extra chip just
> faster?

It's faster. There is FP11 microcode in the J11, but it's really slow from
what I gathered. The separate FP11 could be regarded more as an
accelerator.

	Johnny

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In message <200102161720.SAA12899 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>, jkunz at unixag-
kl.fh-kl.de writes
>On 16 Feb, robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk wrote:
>
>> FP11 floating point processor (I think)
>I thought the FPU is part of the J11 chip? Or is this extra chip just
>faster?
J11 does it in microcode. When the FP11 is plugged in then it does it
faster.

Robin
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