From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [pups] Making disk images and Ultrix-32 In-Reply-To: <200102161720.SAA12899@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Message-ID: Two questions/observations. The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32 software some of which actually loads. Which brings me to my next and much more on topic question. How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a real device?? Is it just a dd of the raw device or is there some software needed to make the move?? And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the emulators that would be able to use this?? If so, I would be glad to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive. (Assuming I can use the Ultrix-32 system that shares these disks to make the image.) All the best. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill at cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA64647 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:11:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA64634 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:10:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkb at freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14TrAc-00000G-00; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:07:59 +0000 Received: (from wkb at localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1GKApC12202; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:10:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:10:51 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Bill Gunshannon Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] Making disk images and Ultrix-32 Message-ID: <20010216211051.A12098 at freebie.demon.nl> References: <200102161720.SAA12899 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from bill at cs.scranton.edu on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 01:47:24PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko at freebsd.org Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 01:47:24PM -0500, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > Two questions/observations. > > The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to > my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that > is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the > VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 > was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32 > software some of which actually loads. Is Ultrix-32 covered by the standard license from SCO? And did DEQ release it to the world under the same conditions as Ultrix-11? I think I have recent Ultrix-32 on CDROM here somewhere. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko at freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA64867 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:50:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA64863 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:50:43 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f1GKsjk49341; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:54:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <200102162054.f1GKsjk49341 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: [pups] Making disk images and Ultrix-32 In-Reply-To: from Bill Gunshannon at "Feb 16, 2001 01:47:24 pm" To: Bill Gunshannon Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:54:45 +1100 (EST) CC: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Bill Gunshannon: > Two questions/observations. > > The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to > my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that > is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the > VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 > was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32 > software some of which actually loads. Ultrix-32 isn't covered by the SCO license (well, they didn't create it), and we haven't obtained a release from DEC/Compaq, unlike Ultrix-11. So while hidden away in the Archive are various versions of Ultrix-32, I cannot make them available. Does anybody have contacts inside Compaq so we could persue a release? > How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a real device?? Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all. > And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the > RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the > emulators that would be able to use this?? If so, I would be glad > to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive. > bill Yes please! Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA64906 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:57:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mailhost.cs.uofs.edu (mailhost.cs.uofs.edu [134.198.169.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA64901 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:57:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from bill at cs.uofs.edu) Received: from triangle.cs.uofs.edu (IDENT:root at triangle.cs.uofs.edu [134.198.172.101]) by mailhost.cs.uofs.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA06049; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bill at localhost) by triangle.cs.uofs.edu (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18164; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:54:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: triangle.cs.uofs.edu: bill owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Gunshannon To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au cc: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society Subject: Re: [pups] Making disk images and Ultrix-32 In-Reply-To: <200102162054.f1GKsjk49341 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Bill Gunshannon: > > Two questions/observations. > > > > The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to > > my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that > > is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the > > VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11 > > was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32 > > software some of which actually loads. > > Ultrix-32 isn't covered by the SCO license (well, they didn't create it), > and we haven't obtained a release from DEC/Compaq, unlike Ultrix-11. So > while hidden away in the Archive are various versions of Ultrix-32, I > cannot make them available. OK, I didn't know. I had thought that Ultrix-32 was also derived from 32V, but maybe not. I'll have to hold onto my tapes a little longer. > > Does anybody have contacts inside Compaq so we could persue a release? > Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone on comp.os.vms might know?? > > How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a real device?? > > Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all. To a tape?? What about just dumping it to a file on another disk?? > > > > And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the > > RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the > > emulators that would be able to use this?? If so, I would be glad > > to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive. > > bill > > Yes please! Which emulator might I be able to test this out on?? Or do I need to find something other than an RA81 to dump?? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill at cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA65041 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:29:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA65037 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:29:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f1GLXqc59893; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:33:52 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <200102162133.f1GLXqc59893 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: [pups] Making disk images In-Reply-To: from Bill Gunshannon at "Feb 16, 2001 03:54:00 pm" To: Bill Gunshannon Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:33:52 +1100 (EST) CC: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Bill Gunshannon: > > Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all. > To a tape?? What about just dumping it to a file on another disk?? Yep, that works too! > > > And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the > > > RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the > > > emulators that would be able to use this?? > > Yes please! > > Which emulator might I be able to test this out on?? Or do I need to > find something other than an RA81 to dump?? > bill What PDP-11 model do you have? Then I can tell you what emulators will be suitable. Thanks, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA65553 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:17:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from Tempo.Update.UU.SE (IDENT:0 at Tempo.Update.UU.SE [130.238.19.17]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA65549 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:17:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from bqt at update.uu.se) Received: from localhost (bqt at localhost) by Tempo.Update.UU.SE (8.11.2/8.11.2/Update-Iltempogigante) with ESMTP id f1GNEM028141; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:14:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:14:22 +0100 (CET) From: Johnny Billquist To: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de cc: robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk, pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] What is a 21-21858 chip? In-Reply-To: <200102161720.SAA12899 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > On 16 Feb, robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk wrote: > > > FP11 floating point processor (I think) > I thought the FPU is part of the J11 chip? Or is this extra chip just > faster? It's faster. There is FP11 microcode in the J11, but it's really slow from what I gathered. The separate FP11 could be regarded more as an accelerator. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA70826 for pups-liszt; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:28:59 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA70822 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:28:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from robin at ruffnready.co.uk) Received: from falstaf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.152.109]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14UB75-0007wW-0C; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:25:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3sLM7KAxOrj6Ew8r at ruffnready.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:24:01 +0000 To: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Cc: robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk, pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au From: Robin Birch Subject: Re: [pups] What is a 21-21858 chip? References: <002569F5.00405BE2.00 at postoffice.co.uk> <200102161720.SAA12899 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> In-Reply-To: <200102161720.SAA12899 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In message <200102161720.SAA12899 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>, jkunz at unixag- kl.fh-kl.de writes >On 16 Feb, robin.birch at postoffice.co.uk wrote: > >> FP11 floating point processor (I think) >I thought the FPU is part of the J11 chip? Or is this extra chip just >faster? J11 does it in microcode. When the FP11 is plugged in then it does it faster. Robin ____________________________________________________________________ Robin Birch robin at ruffnready.co.uk M1ASU/2E0ARJ/M5ABD Old computers and radios always welcome