From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17075 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2023 06:28:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Jun 2023 06:28:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285C1425D0; Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:28:08 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1688020088; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=UPAMmLT8atoyV/AXH3TbPN9OB3gwKoqgdf/CugmI6p8=; b=U1kR9sACM6mqDlh86p7lcxly1VIVh8hPEYSHfb0DJ75bXBtGdhol0owZvXVq58nRZNXpq+ IeUWh/pH+bDAWKBIcHLfEg7t2WUKRSK8Zu4L0eGxxW3Zq6yw1YdMjfdUBMah/YwKNKjYxR 9feVSIJ8TvgQZs2PCnQyKNTNhuTzOFc= Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 067AC4107E for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:27:55 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 06:27:44 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1688020072; x=1688279272; bh=UPAMmLT8atoyV/AXH3TbPN9OB3gwKoqgdf/CugmI6p8=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=VFWSkJNa4ipltbrlTB/ZfObUAHFRWtgOv1NFay7diRR4IIzEFSutcHMUTfCQ1UJLv AdEGGXHP4t39DuzcoPK2Mom7Nb4zmkUBjDWRbF+V1Rr8iC4GRi/FJPyO/H6p3dQf57 7ALs4mvURcgYPiis1QvnF4aL0fyQjElsXwZZ/gMxOMSA6ogLndRzBJUzbbWJc6a9xp XsUq7hy2wO+w9yzWnFcXQkz0agisGkK1vnciIfHadG8NvdeiolrVc9DFWZuKLFT3FS kerGU80hly7zK9NIBqIMeF1vv7YwecCIE2bdiLp/rorWcFdjbl9h8LPS17Y1kPWB0X 9cLly/vmlVHOA== To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <237fe42c-7803-33cc-68c3-c9a05966b95a@riddermarkfarm.ca> References: <20230628234750.GE43966@eureka.lemis.com> <237fe42c-7803-33cc-68c3-c9a05966b95a@riddermarkfarm.ca> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: ICXQ7B4AV5RWAWVWRFXAUDMUCGBVCFGH X-Message-ID-Hash: ICXQ7B4AV5RWAWVWRFXAUDMUCGBVCFGH X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Trying to date "A Supplemental Document For Awk" List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco > But what did people use before grog and why was the compilation line > never placed in a comment in the file? The primary macro packages I see come up between Bell and UCB are man, ms, = mm, and me. Man of course finds use in the manual pages (although there ar= e different representations of manpages in nroff over time.) From what I'v= e seen (someone who was there can surely correct me) it seems that ms macro= s were more commonly used on the research side of things while the mm macro= s proliferated more in the supported side. Finally the me macros were a BS= D component. Given these separations, the origin of or relative vicinity f= rom which a paper originates provides much context as to which macros may b= e present. To a finer point, the papers published with V7 are ms macros papers while t= he new additions in PWB lineages are mm macros, while some papers that crop= up in BSD likely use me (although I haven't gotten too far into BSD with d= oc research yet.) Papers from UNIX consumers such as universities are like= ly in ms or me most of the time. On the flip side, mm was the macro packag= e touted with Documenter's Workbench, so many commercial operations using S= ystem V for documentation would've produced documents in mm. I'd be curiou= s whether the earlier "Phototypesetter" package included ms or mm (or both.= ) I don't think I've seen a "papers" set with both the Lesk ms document an= d the Smith and Mashey mm one, so couldn't say how common both in the same = Bell offering were. Additionally, my research hasn't touched on any offici= ally sanctioned use of mm in BSD, so that's an area ripe for some more stud= y. As for other breadcrumbs, Bell mm macros papers do often include a comment = at the top indicating to print with nroff -mm or mm(1). I don't recall see= ing similar in research papers, but haven't necessarily gone looking. In a= ny case, the paper sets with UNIX itself typically had scripts included wit= h the necessary command-lines, as many papers additionally needed some eqn = and/or tbl processing. I imagine any other such formally distributed docum= ent sources would likewise include scripts in lieu of commentary, but it de= pends. - Matt G.