From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23737 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2023 01:30:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Feb 2023 01:30:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00B140A30; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 11:30:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E5DE40D77 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2023 12:51:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from cwcc.thunk.org (pool-173-48-120-46.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.120.46]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 3192pFAe010093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 8 Feb 2023 21:51:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mit.edu; s=outgoing; t=1675911077; bh=f9PiapXD/p9+uXsSwybxCtidNjBi//PwDkZeJQJhEn8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=cBjPoA0xsvsRUaycko7dQY66yhuWYVoEgbD1MhiXMrpJUR2uNmgQXpIf69SHhFehz 5HHD8VDjHmptn5DocMUyRFEqlGmIWWmklAG4X46MulGTKvWF4uOhbbZlP3VGiDsxYV gVYTV49oYK7jZ3a7yNEBwtO7ot1iMFgKwbW3V+9PhCSBeI/Iavm7KuS7qNYc3vG2s5 7PR4zWhStaZMaRHxi/+rF1M0592V8fImU8E4kEwrfLx0iUD3LNXUyzkx5Fbh9HZTn8 2vqCZ5hMawE+dJWOuzuyjHoRaf7Ms5UA5c2/JJhUaVXn50V9g25/W4qvC5GbHmIzBN nbPwywRn4pSbQ== Received: by cwcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id C9DC915C35A2; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 21:51:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 21:51:15 -0500 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Jonathan Gray Message-ID: References: <3e272d72-b77a-d347-b5c3-7ed19482e5af@gmail.com> <3h5FEAegoTs6FrhHODiW-rBdB59dt_Rmr4G0PIw7flqaJLsmorgPsilm4f2aJkDud-qEljDjnCJcE1uY05Iw4HNQcyNG4W3wzVlLD0UZfLg=@protonmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: CLBVWE7NHPZKSRXYXBBQUAOGQKEB5GSB X-Message-ID-Hash: CLBVWE7NHPZKSRXYXBBQUAOGQKEB5GSB X-MailFrom: tytso@mit.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: project athena (was Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Feb 09, 2023 at 09:12:28AM +1100, Jonathan Gray wrote: > > Before the PC/RT machines and AOS, there was also an attempt at PC/XT > machines with Genix running on a add-in card. It's possible that there were some IBM'ers at MIT Building E40 (where Project Athena was headquartered) that were playing with a PC/XT with a co-processor board, but as far as I know that was never deployed in the field --- at least, I never saw them. The only I saw were PC/AT's (that is, the ones with the '286 CPU) that ran DOS and which were essentially used only to telnet to the Vax 750's (or supdup to the MIT AI / LCS lab machines, but most undergraduates didn't have access to those computers; connecting to MIT Multics was also possible, via a 3270 emulator, but again, most undergrduates didn't have access, although MIT's Student Information Processing Board could give out limited accounts for undergraduates to experiment with Multics.) - Ted