From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2057 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2022 23:42:37 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Nov 2022 23:42:37 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165941DD6; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:42:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CE8141DD5 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:42:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from letrec.thunk.org (guestnat-104-133-8-97.corp.google.com [104.133.8.97] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 2A4NgGUI016883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 4 Nov 2022 19:42:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mit.edu; s=outgoing; t=1667605338; bh=Y/34mqHNH1gMNPpr/yrmBcBcxlN61fZgT+mlV1ZSGJo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=SOhXbNTJH4VjMvVsekLFbyoAMfCfvPlVfHeVwVCvhdpi8Di9HgauSB022/OW+x/+w 5Bgc5PZY5sC3Du9f6vLzXAltofYnBh3qgTJ+F0Xi77GqDlmRsH2wOsYxTmuTam3S/2 Z2jaSqPuJQtx1fE9CUcZwv7t9nZAbk0jyfFBxFkZDtM4rgXPNdRaprsRqgSJE3OzfA VtZOGbT9p1/kkTAO4GYyx8GpWDCJpn/v4v6j2bUzRPPEYPMFIffMnX7ooOeuXFPJNq YIWX6B5e1r+WqOd5pZXpOZFEDTae0s5KOzWWKHB3xHBoNZRXp3Jz6t0OcbtUMZQbok SV4wTYWwlmYpg== Received: by letrec.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 83FE28C0033; Fri, 4 Nov 2022 19:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 19:42:15 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Ron Natalie Message-ID: References: <7b249e68-de74-2c81-32b0-18ecb74a85ec@aueb.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: SD4Y7ZRWPMG4ZFMB5CSXPKDUTFNVVPHA X-Message-ID-Hash: SD4Y7ZRWPMG4ZFMB5CSXPKDUTFNVVPHA X-MailFrom: tytso@mit.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: vi in cooked mode? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Nov 04, 2022 at 06:33:34PM +0000, Ron Natalie wrote: > > > > v6 vs v7 PDP-11 vs Vax much less vi vs emacs. > > Amusingly, as weith many of us, I got my start with "ed." I never actually > learned vi. By the time I was ready to move up to screen editors, the > emacs-ish things were available to me. Yeah, same here, although my start was with the editor that came with the PDP-8 disk operating system (using an ASR-35), the PDP-15's foreground/background system (using a KSR-33), and the PDP-11's RT-11 running under TSX-plus (using VT-100's and DECwriter for the console). So when I finally got a chance to use Unix when I got to college, /bin/ed was so similar to the line oriented editors I had used on the various Digital systems I had a chance to use while growing up and in high school, I never bothered to use vi. It was either ed or emacs, depending on how loaded the time-sharing systems I was using my freshman year. Of course, once I had a chance to use a Vaxstation or the IBM PC/RT all to myself, I jumped over to emacs and never looked back --- except when I was recovering a system in single user mode, of course. - Ted