From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10425 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2022 04:22:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Dec 2022 04:22:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA104239F; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:21:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lechuck.jsg.id.au (jsg.id.au [193.114.144.202]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14A9842385 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:21:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from largo.jsg.id.au (largo.jsg.id.au [192.168.1.43]) by lechuck.jsg.id.au (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id a523cd3c (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 20 Dec 2022 15:21:32 +1100 (AEDT) Received: from localhost (largo.jsg.id.au [local]) by largo.jsg.id.au (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id f47e5aaa; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 15:21:32 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 15:21:32 +1100 From: Jonathan Gray To: Larry McVoy Message-ID: References: <202212191738.2BJHcLBF024793@ultimate.com> <94155806-907F-40EE-AB00-F3B345509442@iitbombay.org> <20221220030942.GR4401@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20221220030942.GR4401@mcvoy.com> Message-ID-Hash: WAGKCKD3R2R7UPCZ5L35MYNHXB6ED73K X-Message-ID-Hash: WAGKCKD3R2R7UPCZ5L35MYNHXB6ED73K X-MailFrom: jsg@jsg.id.au X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Bakul Shah , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX on (not quite bare) System/370 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 07:09:43PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > > Berkeley didn't really have a good VM system, other than Bill Joy > imagining it and then went on to go to Sun and inspired Joe Moran > to implement it. > > FreeBSD took Mach's VM system and while I have respect for what > Mach was trying to do, holy moly, what a mess. Mike Hibler did that for HPBSD and CSRG releases. https://www.flux.utah.edu/~mike/hpbsd/hpbsd.html "In April 1989, with encouragement from CSRG, I started the ``new VM project,'' integrating the Mach 2.0 VM system[1] into BSD. This was done in the context of our then current HPBSD. A reasonable prototype was done by November 1989 when I talked about it at the ``Berkeley workshop'' in Boulder[2]. Development on the new VM code in HPBSD continued off and on til May of 1990 when the VM code was merged into CSRG's source tree (what was to become net2 and later 4.4bsd)."