From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 710 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2021 13:46:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Apr 2021 13:46:12 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 545D19CABB; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 23:46:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EA69CA5B; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 23:45:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8C3AD9CA5B; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 23:45:11 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 452 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 23:45:10 AEST Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC7B99C883 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 23:45:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from cwcc.thunk.org (pool-72-74-133-215.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.133.215]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 135DbX7l032337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 Apr 2021 09:37:33 -0400 Received: by cwcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id EF9FA15C3399; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 09:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 09:37:32 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Larry McVoy Message-ID: References: <584DED5A-1226-4AF7-A191-C34CAFA53686@pobox.com> <20210404022356.GR28660@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210404022356.GR28660@mcvoy.com> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:23:56PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > I'm the biggest SunOS 4.x fan boy and I agree. It was ~30 years ago. > Back then, all the open source stuff, or closed source stuff, took a > ton of work to make it work. It just worked on SunOS. I can't tell > you how many times I've brought up X10 or X11 on all sorts of systems > (it was a good learning experience, you learned to figure out that this > is part of my graphics card, this and that and that and that is not, > just ifdef that out and keep going). To be fair, a lot of that was because there's a lot of crappy userspace software out there who assumed that all the world's a Sun (running SunOS). Previously it was Vax running BSD 4.x, and it's been superceded these days with "all the world's Linux (running on x86_64)". I'm a big Linux fan boy, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that that there's a lot of cr*p that uses slow, maddening autoconf and automake build systems, yet have so many Linux'isms in it that won't build anywhere else. The fact that a lot of software easily brings up on a particular OS doesn't mean that it's inherently better; just that it has the dominant mindshare. - Ted