From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28363 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2022 07:06:02 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Jun 2022 07:06:02 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B8540D3B; Sat, 18 Jun 2022 17:05:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52A7B40D39 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2022 17:05:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E155C0159 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2022 03:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 18 Jun 2022 03:05:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=papnet.eu; h=cc :content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1655535944; x=1655622344; bh=qv8F55gGKz NvK5sMrsUbXEgm+tM9R8XD4iem3RzhSgw=; b=OdllqV1NS2LQZBPsESPJ+6OTko mcFa2iig6DN18P2e7FsRARfOm075K9ZA4PRDwXACV0uPYyw7MRC8md6UzBB6PSTv eFN/+BHTHlhd/8OOCZA2/8SZC1RRiVJHqEN7ou0348pchuGRxf/iUVDpDSqCJHbm HHkulDyvWDkIFAeAHHBajRXtCw64tcNGqJV2dAVcge0CVk+ETmjsyGJczcGE7XxV h1yHCHfFVEivQQROSfh4O7e77PPG04qSS5e5g6BU+8tHH6y38kd+uij9xyJERRS7 lEBbLt6hNbnR3eDSg9AqYvlCAjre3a20oFX46yIbpLpeM5982D5hg7iiKM9A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; t=1655535944; x=1655622344; bh=qv8F55gGKzNvK5sMrsUbXEgm+tM9 R8XD4iem3RzhSgw=; b=kbGp+bNMz+xOfgGr1+b2Wb92k3LViei6YTpbqeBEZs9v qrCRA/kd6tDW+jqPJNwNyWZBCDyuPWRqPW7pt+sHU7cBMy5zMEz+ISboF7zx6D6G VWCOzPq7/VV7DStE1te7XolPSmmEqvPoVToHX49nwCNCooWNUhWEj5Ofv5ttMY70 zNmM1rk1jVY+E1ym9JIZGw/Wm402gJPiDrU2V6wabMZF66Bg82iEQAHQrJ7Oqmiz vWfi69VAaqwhQIoMU9tgdOxU9wGNAghhphD3tUFYNbY/VEO/oefiYd0X2GwF+hVP AJlSRHFzYJ+8L4SVKLoXWiS76q/qftuOp2AWK2jv/Q== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedruddviedguddujecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjsehttd ertddttddvnecuhfhrohhmpeetnhhgvghlohcurfgrphgvnhhhohhffhcuoegrrghpsehp rghpnhgvthdrvghuqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefghfeugfeiteeuvdfghfdugedvte elhfffhfevtdefudefvdetueetudetudegvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecu rfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrrghpsehprghpnhgvthdrvghu X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i47c14439:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2022 03:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2022 09:05:41 +0200 From: Angelo Papenhoff To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: 5TSITXALNKW4HN3E4BKQJXEFURZR4VKA X-Message-ID-Hash: 5TSITXALNKW4HN3E4BKQJXEFURZR4VKA X-MailFrom: aap@papnet.eu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: To make people more aware of post-v7 Research UNIX it would be great if you could actually run all of them in a simulator and have the manuals available. V8 is working perfectly in simh and there's blit (jerq) emulation as well. DMD 5620 emulation should be possible as well with Seth Morabito's emulator, but as far as I understand it needs a different ROM that we don't have a dump of. (I've had a real 5620 connected to my laptop running v8 in simh, it worked perfectly) V9 exists as a port to Sun-3 and it can actually be booted apparently. The source seems incomplete, but the VAX kernel source seems to be included as well. Maybe it could be gotten to run in simh on a VAX in some form or another? V10 exists but not as anything that boots. I think getting this to work would be the holy grail but also requires quite a bit of effort. I don't know if the V8 and V10 file systems are compatible, but if that is the case one could probably start by bootstrapping from V8. It also includes the multilevel-secure IX system and software for the 630 MTG terminal. As for the manual... The V8 files have the man pages but not much of the documents. The V9 files seem to have neither. The V10 files have both the man pages and the documents but I have not yet tried to troff any of this. Since I know at least the V10 manual to be a work of art and beauty I think it should be available to everyone. I have not seen the physical V8 and V9 manuals, but if they look anything like the V10 one, they too deserve to be available to the public. Does anyone have a plan of attack? I'd gladly join some effort to make the research systems more visible or available again (but probably don't have the motivation to do so alone). Angelo/aap