From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2798 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2022 18:33:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jun 2022 18:33:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5F540D42; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 04:32:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11CE040D01 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 04:32:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from cwcc.thunk.org (pool-173-48-118-63.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.118.63]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 25JIWjP6008206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 19 Jun 2022 14:32:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mit.edu; s=outgoing; t=1655663567; bh=TKoh7X+K89xqJjD5Q07ePyv/6rFkFZ5rPWDag6PHwZk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=hH1dIym6m5XWY8xL7Tu/f0IcSlEIgeJPp0VTYm/bAyE2EctAwUjgUgSIO9cIRvlMB ejgAZ4Mo68Io229NXv/5yzGLZ2GhVk+aAfT6xNgTXVnOEU8JFEbEzRjuBC84KoOPYu oCMJmk0NyRI6tzej9ru7D8aMO2akT/ShjJ05cAK9syA/0YQmiUMBZCv0JF+uqrvrXi pYweRSMFcwM/YSbEJnY8ZSYpPaF15WQjGlsFOEoLbWTIu0/t4Qt4D2dhSbFmi+GM7P 4cbaK+PG5A3lzpUXiosugynsmH27FLjcX+mB79TV0XSVwMFW0HYljKfE7OzlVQMp2j jHy4Gh6M4H5+A== Received: by cwcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id A032815C431D; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 14:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 14:32:45 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Kenneth Goodwin Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: 2HV3S5LOA7CVANO7FXA6ZULYODR4WCVP X-Message-ID-Hash: 2HV3S5LOA7CVANO7FXA6ZULYODR4WCVP X-MailFrom: tytso@mit.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:47:23AM -0400, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: > Just chiming in a bit.. > > Rob, it might be interesting to old geezers like me as well as newbies > entering the field to get a perspective on Plan 9 and its evolution. The > motivations behind it. What your group was trying to accomplish, the > approach, pitfalls and the entire decision making process as things went > along. Even things that went horribly wrong and what happened etc. I'll second that. I think it would be really helpful. There was a time when I was reviewing a paper which made a bunch of claims about what Plan 9 was trying to accomplish and in particular about what the ultimate design goals for a particular component of Plan 9. (I won't go into further details since as far as I know, that paper was never published.) In any case, since I wasn't familiar with the history of Plan 9 to evaluate these claims, with the permission of the PC chairs, I found someone who had been part of the Plan 9 team, and asked them to review certain passages for accuracy, and they said, "Uh, no.... that's totally not the case. They're completely wrong." So if someone were willing to create additional write ups about lessons learned, or if that's too much work, maybe someone could do some interview for a podcast or a vlog, that would be really excellent. - Ted