From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27414 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2023 11:13:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Mar 2023 11:13:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CC141526; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:12:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lechuck.jsg.id.au (jsg.id.au [193.114.144.202]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9512441356 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:12:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from largo.jsg.id.au (largo.jsg.id.au [192.168.1.43]) by lechuck.jsg.id.au (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id 27aa20f0 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:12:39 +1100 (AEDT) Received: from localhost (largo.jsg.id.au [local]) by largo.jsg.id.au (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 1ed157e4; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:12:39 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:12:38 +1100 From: Jonathan Gray To: Warner Losh Message-ID: References: <9QXzG1pmIgoHdlkiU-ljIDoco5SPzWKEudlEu8W26K28NXD_2bgCijSQmWAn7CBthISuVyzSuxvPGUKmv6A5Gsc-GoNrDb8SA1D5_m449nA=@protonmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: BQQXBHU25DJLOVUOYJHFJ4NMJN7R7CGL X-Message-ID-Hash: BQQXBHU25DJLOVUOYJHFJ4NMJN7R7CGL X-MailFrom: jsg@jsg.id.au X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: PWB 1.0 Distro and Licensing Timeframe List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 01:24:26PM -0800, Warner Losh wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:07 PM Clem Cole wrote: > > > The other really important piece is that the V7 redistribution license was > > the first that allowed vendors to ship binaries, and this is all pre-Judge > > Green. The vendors started the negotiation for the replacement of the V7 > > license almost at day one [December 1979 was the first meeting at Ricki's > > Hyatt - which I have described earlier]. > > > > How did The Wollongong Group sell/send out the Interdata/Harris Unix Level > 6 binaries then? Or did they get some kind of special since they bought the > rights from Wollongong University? That was commercially sold as a v7 port (in 1980) according to Juris Reinfelds in tuhs/Distributions/Other/Interdata/uow103747.pdf "Price includes a binary license" https://archive.org/details/login_october-1980/page/11/mode/2up Human Computing Resources (HCR), were somewhat related to the University of Toronto's Dynamic Graphics Project. HCR first sold Xenix and later UNITY? Richard Miller worked at HCR and was involved with their port to the NS16032 after the Interdata port https://archive.org/details/1983-proceedings-unicom-san-diego/page/269/mode/2up ISC were selling products based on v6 and PWB in 1977: "By June he had formed Interactive Systems Corp. in Santa Monica, Calif., and had a license from Bell Labs to market Unix-based systems. ... The company calls its enhanced Unix systems Interactive System/One. Interactive System/Two is coming along. It too is based on a Bell Labs development. This one, called Programmers Workbench (PWB), uses Unix and makes it possible to develop software for large scale computers using minis. Interactive has a license from Bell for PWB, similar to the one it holds for Unix." Datamation, November 1977, pg 189 https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_datamation_42830601/page/n179/mode/2up