From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19395 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2023 07:29:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Dec 2023 07:29:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B5343D56; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:29:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lechuck.jsg.id.au (jsg.id.au [193.114.144.202]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4108E43D40 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:28:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from largo.jsg.id.au (largo.jsg.id.au [192.168.1.43]) by lechuck.jsg.id.au (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPS id 1586ae67 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:28:49 +1100 (AEDT) Received: from localhost (largo.jsg.id.au [local]) by largo.jsg.id.au (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id b0c038c6; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:28:49 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:28:49 +1100 From: Jonathan Gray To: segaloco Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: HWFE4VLVNUQSKKHSTHKOXFU7V44LXEL5 X-Message-ID-Hash: HWFE4VLVNUQSKKHSTHKOXFU7V44LXEL5 X-MailFrom: jsg@jsg.id.au X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early 70's WECo "Turnkey Systems"? Re: S.S. Pirzada UNIX Paper List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 06:30:28AM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > In S.S. Pirzada's 1988 paper[1], page 35, section 3.3.2, he writes: > > "Some operating telephone companies and the switching control center > system (SCCS) group in Holmdel, NJ decided to use UNIX to collect > maintenance data from their switches and for administration purposes. > Other departments also started building applications on top of UNIX, > some part of turnkey systems licensed by Western Electric (WECo)." > > This is describing the situation before the establishment of USG > in September 1973. I'm curious, does anyone recall what some of > these pre-USG WECo "turnkey systems" were? Perhaps a reference to COSNIX/COSMOS? described by Henry Spencer in https://www.tuhs.org/Usenet/comp.unix.wizards/1985-May/002932.html and by Alan E. Kaplan in "A History of the COSNIX Operating System: Assembly Language Unix 1971 to July, 1991." USENIX Winter 1992 Technical Conference, pp. 429-437 https://archive.org/details/winter92_usenix_technical_conf/page/428/mode/2up