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From: Alexander Schreiber <als@thangorodrim.ch>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Alexis <flexibeast@gmail.com>, The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS]  Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • The Register
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:04:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Znh_xv_Wk1z0jXfX@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240623190002.GB7185@mit.edu>

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 03:00:02PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:47:52AM +1000, Alexis wrote:
> > Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> writes:
> > 
> > > My server runs Sendmail, and I have no idea what "journalctl" is (it
> > > sounds Penguin-ish, which I definitely don't run).
> > 
> > It's systemd's program for accessing the binary logs it generates. So, yes,
> > it's Penguin, in the sense that systemd is explicitly not supported on
> > anything other than Linux.
> 
> Systemd certainly isn't a pioneer in terms of binary log files.  The
> first such "innovation" that I can think of is Ultrix's (and later
> OSF/1 and Tru64)'s uerf (Ultrix error report formatter).  AIX also had
> binary error logs that needed to be decoded using the errpt command.
> And Solaris's audit logs are also stored in a binary format.

AIX sort of gets a pass here on account of being on the weird side
to begin with and bonus points for not using DB/2 for primary log
storage ;-)
 
> All of these "innovations" consider it a Feature that it becomes
> easier to store and filter on structured data, instead of trying to
> write complex regex's to pull out events that match some particular
> query.

Except you now have to do the additional step of extracting the
data from the binary logs and _then_ apply the regex filter you
were going to use in the first place, which makes the logs less
accessible. All of my systemd running machines still get rsyslog
plugged into it so it can deliver the logs to my central log host
(which then dumps them into PostgreSQL) - and to enable a quick
rummage in the local logs via less & grep.

Kind regards,
           Alex.
-- 
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
 looks like work."                                      -- Thomas A. Edison

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-23 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 174+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-13 14:56 [TUHS] " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-13 15:33 ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2024-06-13 15:35 ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-13 15:41   ` Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-13 15:55   ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-13 15:39 ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Clem Cole
2024-06-13 16:47   ` Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS
2024-06-13 18:39     ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-13 18:45       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Mychaela Falconia
2024-06-14  8:59         ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-13 18:54       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Dan Cross
2024-06-12 19:29         ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' " Greg A. Woods
2024-06-13 20:03           ` Dan Cross
2024-06-13 17:07             ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-14 14:17             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2024-06-16  5:48               ` Alexis
2024-06-15  8:48                 ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-16 19:44                   ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  0:10                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-06-17  0:29                       ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  1:01                   ` Alexis
2024-06-17  1:21                     ` Warner Losh
2024-06-17  1:25                     ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17  1:32                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-17 19:21                       ` Stuff Received
2024-06-17 19:28                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 22:34                         ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-16  7:57                           ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-17 23:44                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-18  0:06                               ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-18 22:44                               ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-19  2:33                                 ` David Arnold
2024-06-18  1:52                             ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-18  4:52                               ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-18 22:50                                 ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-18 23:03                                   ` Warner Losh
2024-06-18 23:27                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-19  1:38                                     ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-06-19  1:42                                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 23:28                                         ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-20  5:01                                           ` Scot Jenkins via TUHS
2024-06-20  5:09                                             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20  5:18                                               ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20 18:34                                             ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-20 18:41                                               ` Adam Thornton
2024-06-20 19:59                                                 ` Warner Losh
2024-06-20 20:12                                                   ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 20:22                                                     ` Adam Thornton
2024-06-20 20:29                                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-21 15:46                                                     ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 16:06                                                       ` Henry Bent
2024-06-21 16:24                                                         ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 16:40                                                           ` Henry Bent
2024-06-21 16:52                                                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-21 17:25                                                             ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 17:31                                                             ` Phil Budne
2024-06-21 17:55                                                               ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-20 20:19                                                   ` Clem Cole
2024-06-20 20:34                                                   ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20 21:00                                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 21:53                                                       ` David Arnold
2024-06-20 22:00                                                         ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 22:11                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-20 22:35                                                       ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-21 13:57                                                       ` Stuff Received
2024-06-20 19:57                                               ` [TUHS] Version 256.1: Now slightly less likely to delete /home Jim Capp
2024-06-20  8:05                                           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register Steve Nickolas
2024-06-19  2:38                                     ` David Arnold
2024-06-19 22:52                                     ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-19  0:08                                   ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  0:46                                     ` Nevin Liber
2024-06-19  1:00                                       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-19  3:07                                       ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  3:14                                         ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  3:36                                           ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  6:50                                           ` arnold
2024-06-19 11:28                                             ` sjenkin
2024-06-19  9:00                                         ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-19 13:28                                       ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-19 14:44                                         ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 14:53                                           ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-19 15:08                                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 15:11                                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-19 15:16                                             ` ron minnich
2024-06-19 15:59                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-19 22:48                                           ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-20  5:14                                             ` David Arnold
2024-06-20  5:32                                               ` George Michaelson
2024-06-20  6:37                                                 ` Alexis
2024-06-20  7:07                                                   ` David Arnold
2024-06-20 21:07                                                   ` [TUHS] Building programs (Re: " Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-20 23:35                                                     ` [TUHS] " Alexis
2024-06-21  0:05                                                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-21  0:34                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-21  0:54                                                           ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-21  1:06                                                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-21  1:32                                                             ` Alexis
2024-06-21  1:43                                                               ` Warner Losh
2024-06-21 16:07                                                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21  0:35                                                       ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-21  1:15                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-21  1:43                                                           ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-21 13:58                                                             ` Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-21  0:35                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-21  0:49                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-21  1:22                                                           ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-21  1:44                                                             ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-21 15:57                                                       ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-22  0:04                                                         ` Alexis
2024-06-22 17:53                                                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-22 18:15                                                             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-22 21:16                                                               ` David Arnold
2024-06-23  0:29                                                                 ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-23 18:50                                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-23 18:56                                                               ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-23 20:15                                                                 ` Stuff Received
2024-06-24 14:03                                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-24 14:33                                                                     ` Dan Cross
2024-06-24 15:17                                                                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-24 15:23                                                                   ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 15:41                               ` [TUHS] " Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 15:38                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-20 20:14                       ` Alexander Schreiber
2024-06-16  6:43                 ` Wesley Parish
2024-06-16 21:56               ` David Arnold
2024-06-16 23:34                 ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-16 23:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 21:40                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-17  0:54                 ` Åke Nordin
2024-06-18  5:55                 ` Alexis
2024-06-18  6:39                   ` Michael Kjörling
2024-06-13 19:37       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-13 20:05         ` Clem Cole
2024-06-13 20:31           ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-13 20:06         ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-13 20:26           ` Jim Capp
2024-06-13 21:35           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-14  0:27         ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Alexis
2024-06-14  0:59           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-14  1:11             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-14  1:42             ` Alexis
2024-06-14  4:22               ` ron minnich
2024-06-14  6:54               ` Angel M Alganza
2024-06-14  7:04             ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14  7:33             ` arnold
2024-06-14  7:34             ` Andy Kosela
2024-06-14  7:44               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14 11:31             ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-06-13 20:26     ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14 11:32       ` Michael Kjörling
2024-06-14 12:21         ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-18 12:02           ` Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS
2024-06-23  0:13         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-23  1:47           ` Alexis
2024-06-23 19:00             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-23 20:04               ` Alexander Schreiber [this message]
2024-06-24 13:50                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-24 14:21                   ` Dan Cross
2024-06-26  7:39                     ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-24 15:03                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-17  0:48 [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' " Noel Chiappa
2024-06-17  1:02 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17  3:56   ` ron minnich
2024-06-17  3:57     ` ron minnich
2024-06-17  5:41       ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-17  5:51         ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-17 15:56           ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17 16:00             ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17 16:59               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-17 16:43             ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 22:49         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-20 16:45 Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2024-06-20 18:32 ` Kevin Bowling

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