From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: krewat@kilonet.net (Arthur Krewat) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:02:14 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Oracle euthanizes Solaris 12, expunging it from roadmap In-Reply-To: References: <1484812418.3800555.852554160.1638329B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1484815787.58807daba38e0@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: Have you used Solaris 11, especially up to 11.3? I find Linux and it's recently evolving service and network configuration methods to be a bit of a pain. The biggest example of this was the loss of ifconfig from the minimal install of Redhat/Centos recently. Manually installing nettools just to get it back, when every other UNIX still has it is exasperating. If you're a Linux-only house, and even then are up-to-date and use only one or two distros of Linux, I get it. But if, like me, you administer multiple distros, versions, and then start moving across AIX, HP/UX and Solaris, it's another glaring example of "we're going it alone" (again). For what it's worth, I've been administering a PeopleSoft environment built entirely on Solaris x86 (half of it virtualized) for quite a few years, and it's been trouble-free. All the other Linux distros I administer have had their own idiosyncrasies and bugs. Not to mention the glaring security holes that have come out in the past 2 years. Conversely, I've also administered some SFHA clusters on Redhat and they've been flawless too. But I digress. This is not supposed to be a "bash Linux" thread :) On 1/19/2017 11:39 AM, Tim Bradshaw wrote: > Well, they are probably reacting to what their customers want which, in my experience working at a fairly typical customer up to a couple of years ago, is indeed Linux. That's kind of sad, but Linux, much though I'd like to hate it, is unfortunately both a significantly more pleasant experience as a user & administrator, and a lot easier to hire people for. It's 20 years too late for Solaris to have a future. > >> On 19 Jan 2017, at 14:40, Arthur Krewat wrote: >> >> Let's hope they do the right thing and release Solaris into the wild again. ZFS in particular. >> >> Personally, I think they are making a huge mistake. What are they going to do, move to Linux? Oh, right... the "cloud" will be Linux. >> >> Blech. >> >>> On 1/19/2017 3:49 AM, Wesley Parish wrote: >>> I suppose that set of rumours will lead to people shifting to the FOSS versions >>> of Solaris and SPARC. >>> >>> Wesley Parish >>> >>> Quoting Kay Parker : >>> >>>> guess it is the beginning of the end of Solaris and the Sparc CPU: >>>> 'Rumors have been circulating since late last year that Oracle was >>>> planning to kill development of the Solaris operating system, with >>>> major >>>> layoffs coming to the operating system's development team. Others >>>> speculated that future versions of the Unix platform Oracle acquired >>>> with Sun Microsystems would be designed for the cloud and built for the >>>> Intel platform only and that the SPARC processor line would meet its >>>> demise. The good news, based on a recently released Oracle roadmap for >>>> the SPARC platform, is that both Solaris and SPARC appear to have a >>>> future. >>>> >>>> The bad news is that the next major version of Solaris—Solaris 12— >>>> has >>>> apparently been canceled, as it has disappeared from the roadmap. >>>> Instead, it's been replaced with "Solaris 11.next"—and that version >>>> is >>>> apparently the only update planned for the operating system through >>>> 2021. >>>> >>>> With its on-premises software and hardware sales in decline, Oracle has >>>> been undergoing a major reorganization over the past two years as it >>>> attempts to pivot toward the cloud. Those changes led to a major speed >>>> bump in the development cycle for Java Enterprise Edition, a slowdown >>>> significant enough that it spurred something of a Java community >>>> revolt. >>>> Oracle later announced a new roadmap for Java EE that recalibrated >>>> expectations, focusing on cloud services features for the next version >>>> of the software platform. ' >>>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/oracle-sort-of-confirms-demise-of-solaris-12-effort/ >>>> -- >>>> Kay Parker >>>> kayparker at mailite.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.fastmail.com - The way an email service should be >>>> >>>> >>> >>> "I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." - Ferdinand Sor, >>> Method for Guitar >>> >>> "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel Goldwyn >>> >>> > >