From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7066 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2022 22:51:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Sep 2022 22:51:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118AE417B4; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:51:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from neener.bl.org (neener.bl.org [50.116.26.109]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC4740112 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:51:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from neener.bl.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by neener.bl.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 28GMpBYp022220 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:51:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mparson@localhost) by neener.bl.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 28GMpBlJ004056 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:51:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: neener.bl.org: mparson owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:51:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Parson To: tuhs@tuhs.org In-Reply-To: <20220804235623.GQ1959@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: References: <6a4c75af-0fe4-1056-6421-2e473948c07b@jfloren.net> <18af3829-5845-7cd6-1ab2-fdaa63a269d7@bitsavers.org> <20220804235623.GQ1959@mcvoy.com> X-Marks-The-Spot: --->X MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID-Hash: GGDBLBZZQZLHQN6353T3UMNU2TWMK34K X-Message-ID-Hash: GGDBLBZZQZLHQN6353T3UMNU2TWMK34K X-MailFrom: mparson@bl.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 4 Aug 2022, Larry McVoy wrote: > Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:56:23 > From: Larry McVoy > To: Bakul Shah > Cc: Grant Taylor , tuhs@tuhs.org > Subject: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh > > On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 04:21:28PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: >> >>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: >>> >>> On 8/4/22 2:29 PM, Al Kossow wrote: >>>> i think I may need to push this to bitsavers. the c.s.unix archive was a little more difficult to find than I thought. >>> >>> Is that your site? Or someone else's. The URL tends to indicate the latter. >> >> I believe that is Andy Valencia's site. He is the author of VSTa microkernel. >> >>> I ask because I'd be happy to mirror it on my site. >> >> I think Usenet bits are archived on archive.org. For instance: >> https://archive.org/details/cdrom-usernet-sources-newsgroups-1994-10-1 >> >> You can also find them on googlegroups but don't know what damage they may >> have done. > > Oh, the damage that Google has done to netnews is immense. Remember > dejanews? With their spiffy search interface that would let you look for > stuff in date ranges? Yeah, google bought dejanews, killed the search > (because theirs was "better", it most definitely is not), and then did > google groups which is complete garbage. My current boss was a news admin at Dejanews and was there during their end days. I was the sysadmin for the datacenter (SMARTNAP) that DejaNews was co-lo'd in. Everyone wanted to peer with my news server since it fed directly into Dejanews' stuff which was a couple of racks down from my stuff. Google bought Deja and ruined it. IXC Communications bought SMARTNAP and ruined it. -- Michael Parson Pflugerville, TX