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From: "Steve Johnson" <scj@yaccman.com>
To: "Doug McIlroy" <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu>, tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:20:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a29bfbe24692c1908f8a880041b816f6e9262baa@webmail.yaccman.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201909152207.x8FM7BiA017274@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU>

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Dennis had a model 37 on his sunporch for years.  The innards were
nearly all mechanical -- cams and levers, etc.  And as the years went
by, wear and tear made the thing shake when it was being used.  
From time to time, it would shake so much that a space would be added
into whatever you were typing.

I think Dennis finally retired it after he typed the command "rm
*.o"  (a common command in those days of small discs), and got the
respnse ".o not found"

The model37 used fan-fold paper, that we got by the box.  It was an
art to arrange the paper flow so that the output didn't pile up inside
the box of blank paper,
but rather ended up in a pile on the floor.

In this era, Unix would, from time to time, crash unexpectedly,
causing you to lose all the edits you hadn't written out yet.  The
drill in that case was to
gather up the paper with all your typing on it, and, with a
highlighter, highlight the stuff you needed to retype when the system
came up.

One day I had been furiously editing a long program file for about an
hour and a half when I was called away to lunch, and, being hungry,
didn't save
my file.  When I got back to the terminal an hour later, I discovered
two things -- the system had crashed, and our cat had decided that the
pile of paper
on the floor made a great litter box.  After a few choice words, I
sighed and picked up my highliter...

Steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug McIlroy" <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu>
To:<tuhs@tuhs.org>
Cc:
Sent:Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:07:11 -0400
Subject:Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff

 > Excellent - thanks for the pointer. This shows nroff before troff.
 > FWIW: I guess I was miss informed, but I had been under the
impression
 > that was the other way around. i.e. nroff was done to be compliant
with
 > the new troff, replacing roff, although the suggestion here is that
he
 > wrote it add macros to roff. I'll note that either way, the dates
are all
 > possible of course because the U/L case ASR 37 was introduced 1968
so by
 > the early 1970's they would have been around the labs.

 nroff was in v2; troff appeared in v4, which incidentally was
 typeset in troff.

 Because of Joe Ossanna's role in designing the model 37, we
 had 37's in the Labs and even in our homes right from the
 start of production. But when they went obsolete, they were
 a chore to get rid of. As Labs property, they had to be
 returned; and picking them up was nobody's priority.
 Andy Hall had one on his back porch for a year.

 Doug



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  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-17  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-15 22:07 Doug McIlroy
2019-09-17  0:20 ` Steve Johnson [this message]
2019-09-17  1:11   ` Arthur Krewat
2019-09-17  1:17     ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17  1:26       ` Clem cole
2019-09-17  1:33         ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17 22:39           ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-17  1:36         ` Richard Salz
2019-09-17  1:36       ` [TUHS] wizards test [was roff] Clem cole
2019-09-17  1:38         ` Clem cole
2019-09-17  2:34         ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17  1:57       ` [TUHS] earliest Unix roff Bakul Shah
2019-09-17  1:11   ` [TUHS] Model 37's Ronald Natalie
2019-09-17  1:19   ` [TUHS] earliest Unix roff Bakul Shah
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-09-19 18:50 [TUHS] [OT] " Norman Wilson
2019-09-19 19:00 ` Nemo Nusquam
2019-09-19 20:18   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-19 20:42     ` [TUHS] " Andy Kosela
2019-09-19 18:42 Norman Wilson
2019-09-19 22:42 ` Rob Pike
2019-09-19 22:55   ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-19 18:10 Norman Wilson
2019-09-19 18:37 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-19 18:44   ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-19 19:44 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-19 20:38   ` John P. Linderman
2019-09-20 13:41     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-20 15:03       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-19 20:53 ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-15  2:45 Doug McIlroy
2019-09-13  3:20 [TUHS] My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) Warner Losh
2019-09-13 19:47 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13 20:02   ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13 20:06     ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13 20:24       ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-13 20:43         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13 20:53           ` Diomidis Spinellis
2019-09-13 21:45             ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13 22:13               ` [TUHS] earliest Unix roff Warren Toomey
2019-09-13 22:55                 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-14  2:02                   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-14  2:44                     ` Warren Toomey
2019-09-15  2:56                       ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2019-09-15  6:54                         ` arnold
2019-09-15  7:01                           ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-15 16:17                             ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 17:23                               ` Ronald Natalie
2019-09-15 19:48                             ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 21:16                               ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-15  7:32                           ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2019-09-15  7:46                             ` arnold
2019-09-15 19:37                           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16  5:52                             ` arnold
2019-09-16 12:10                               ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16 12:26                                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2019-09-16 13:42                                   ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16 14:54                                     ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 16:09                                     ` Paul Winalski
2019-09-16 22:05                                     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-16 22:33                                       ` reed
2019-09-17  0:11                                         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-17  0:02                                       ` Nemo Nusquam
2019-09-17  0:21                                         ` Arthur Krewat
2019-09-17 11:12                                         ` Thomas Paulsen
2019-09-17  0:46                                       ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16 13:13                                 ` Chet Ramey
2019-09-16 14:51                                 ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 14:57                                   ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16 15:14                                     ` Richard Salz
2019-09-16 15:48                                       ` Ronald Natalie
2019-09-16 16:10                                       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 16:16                                         ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-16 16:26                                           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 16:31                                             ` Richard Salz
2019-09-16 16:45                                               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 17:19                                                 ` KatolaZ
2019-09-16 17:24                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 17:32                                                     ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-16 17:35                                                     ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16 17:37                                                   ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-16 18:04                                                   ` Chet Ramey
2019-09-16 18:19                                                     ` KatolaZ
2019-09-16 23:24                                                     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-16 17:24                                                 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16 17:00                                               ` Clem Cole
2019-09-17 11:20                                         ` Thomas Paulsen
2019-09-16 19:13                                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-16 19:31                                       ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-16 22:35                                     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-17  7:53                                   ` arnold
2019-09-17 14:21                                     ` Clem Cole
2019-09-17 15:03                                       ` arnold
2019-09-17 15:58                                     ` Christopher Browne
2019-09-17 18:15                                       ` arnold
2019-09-17 18:32                                         ` Warner Losh
2019-09-18  0:42                                         ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-16 21:42                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-16 21:48                                   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 21:54                                     ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-16 21:59                                       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17  5:07                                         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2019-09-16 22:10                                       ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-17  0:16                                   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2019-09-17  0:31                                     ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-17 12:20                                     ` David
2019-10-05 19:44                                 ` Michael Parson
2019-09-15 19:35                         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 20:49                           ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2019-09-16  6:20                             ` arnold
2019-09-16 12:13                               ` Clem Cole
2019-09-16 12:34                                 ` arnold
2019-09-16 14:52                                 ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-15 19:27                       ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 19:31                         ` Jon Steinhart

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