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[129.22.118.111]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j21-20020a023215000000b003748d3552e1sm14753155jaa.154.2023.01.23.07.53.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Jan 2023 07:53:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:53:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.6.1 Content-Language: en-US To: "Theodore Ts'o" References: <202301221452.30MEqrRq025402@freefriends.org> <351292a2-7800-4c00-8e33-c6cfc51dedb7@app.fastmail.com> <64e4b53e-04a6-5da1-334e-33dfbceb4ace@case.edu> From: Chet Ramey Organization: ITS, Case Western Reserve University In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Good-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A742F8D.63CEA10A.0035, actions=tag X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=good-1, source=Fixed, refid=n/a, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Status: score=8/90, host=mpv-out-ksl-1.case.edu X-Junkmail-PrAS-Raw: score=8/90, refid=2.7.2:2023.1.23.152725:17:8.707, ip=, rules=__YOUTUBE_RCVD, DKIM_SIGNATURE, __X_GOOGLE_DKIM_SIGNATURE, __X_GM_MESSAGE_STATE, __X_GOOGLE_SMTP_SOURCE, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __MSGID_HEX_844412, DATE_TZ_NA, __MIME_VERSION, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __HAS_REPLYTO, __HAS_CC_HDR, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2, __CC_NAME, __CC_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC, __SUBJ_REPLY, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NAME, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC, __HAS_REFERENCES, __REFERENCES, __HAS_FROM, FROM_EDU_TLD, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, CTE_7BIT, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ADDY, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ACC, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_ANY_CC2, __HEADER_ORDER_FROM, __RCPT_DOMAIN_NOT_TO, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_DOMAIN, __DKIM_ALIGNS_1, __DKIM_ALIGNS_2, __FUR_HEADER, __ANY_URI, __URI_MAILTO, __URI_WITH_PATH, __URI_ENDS_IN_SLASH, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, [TRUNCATED], so=2010-03-03 19:42:08, dmn=2016-08-03-0138 Message-ID-Hash: EF2OCME3VWE7LM4BJ66CYTOOQLRKKULR X-Message-ID-Hash: EF2OCME3VWE7LM4BJ66CYTOOQLRKKULR X-MailFrom: chet.ramey@case.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chet.ramey@case.edu Subject: [TUHS] Re: Cooked Mode (v8 shell) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 1/23/23 10:51 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 09:49:08AM -0500, Chet Ramey wrote: >> On 1/23/23 9:45 AM, Brian M Zick wrote: >>>> 6) It ran in cooked mode. >>> >>> Sorry if this is obvious to everyone else: What does this phrase mean? >> >> It did not perform line editing, so it did not change the terminal modes >> and read one character at a time. If you only ever read a line at a time >> from the terminal, you can let the terminal driver do that for you. > > I've never been convinced by that particular argument, since if you > want command-line completion, the terminal driver is way too > low-level. But that's the point: they don't. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet@case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/