From: Aron Insinga <aki@insinga.com>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: SCCS roach motel
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:40:02 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a347ecb2-182d-416f-a98d-bcb085266efa@insinga.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9777d115-a0bd-4b5a-9436-4a0670b79568@insinga.com>
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p.s. I should have looked at more hits before sending that. Here's the
ad (or one of them):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKhGHxO-woc
- Aron
On 12/13/24 16:37, Aron Insinga wrote:
> The product and its advertising tag line still exist:
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Black-Flag-Roach-Motel-Insect-Glue-Traps-2-Count-HG-11020-1/204237338
>
> https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/e8dd1acb-7a49-40ce-8ae2-c582c8bda9a2/svn/brown-black-flag-insect-traps-hg-11020-1-64_1000.jpg
>
> Note the red rectangle-with-rounded-corners under the large yellow
> word 'Motel' on the front of the box.
>
> - Aron
>
>
> On 12/13/24 16:27, Rob Pike wrote:
>> To answer your actual question, it is of course a riff on a TV ad for
>> a cockroach trap in the 1980s. The sentiment of the quote, as I saw
>> it (it's possible I was the one who added it to the fortunes file
>> after ken saw the SCCS burble at the top of some file from USG and
>> laughed), was primarily a reaction to the taint it added to the
>> previously annotation-free top of the file. It was also a response to
>> the march of corporate code management stepping into the research
>> world, or perhaps the hacker world. It's a philosophical thing, a
>> feeling, not an argument.
>>
>> It all seems so quaint now.
>>
>> -rob
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 8:22 AM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> According to the Unix room fortunes file, the actual quote is
>>
>> SCCS: the source-code motel -- your code checks in but it never
>> checks out.
>> Ken Thompson
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 3:52 AM Marc Rochkind
>> <mrochkind@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> IEEE Transactions on Software Engineering has asked me to
>> write a retrospective on the influence of SCCS over the last
>> 50 years, as my SCCS paper was published in 1975. They
>> consider it one of the most influential papers from TSE's
>> first decade.
>>
>> There's a funny quote from Ken Thompson that circulates from
>> time-to-time:
>>
>> "SCCS, the source motel! Programs check in and never check out!"
>>
>> But nobody seems to know what it means exactly. As part of my
>> research, I asked Ken what the quote meant, sunce I wanted to
>> include it. He explained that it refers to SCCS storing
>> binary data in its repository file, preventing UNIX text
>> tools from operating on the file.
>>
>> Of course, this is only one of SCCS's many weaknesses. If you
>> have anything funny about any of the others, post it here. I
>> already have all the boring usual stuff (e.g., long-term
>> locks, file-oriented, no merging).
>>
>> Marc Rochkind
>> mrochkind.com <http://mrochkind.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-13 16:52 [TUHS] " Marc Rochkind
[not found] ` <A6DE3D0A-8ED7-4E82-87CF-F2BC7AE11761@seiden.com>
2024-12-13 17:58 ` [TUHS] " Marc Rochkind
2024-12-13 21:09 ` Dan Cross
2024-12-14 1:11 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-12-14 1:27 ` Dan Cross
2024-12-14 1:39 ` Larry McVoy
2024-12-14 6:20 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-12-14 1:38 ` Larry McVoy
2024-12-13 18:06 ` Larry McVoy
2024-12-13 18:32 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-12-13 18:39 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-12-13 18:49 ` Larry McVoy
2024-12-13 18:55 ` Larry McVoy
2024-12-13 19:55 ` Henry Bent
2024-12-14 18:29 ` arnold
2024-12-14 18:59 ` Larry McVoy
2024-12-13 21:46 ` Clem Cole
2024-12-13 21:22 ` Rob Pike
2024-12-13 21:27 ` Rob Pike
2024-12-13 21:37 ` Aron Insinga
2024-12-13 21:40 ` Aron Insinga [this message]
2024-12-14 0:37 ` Luther Johnson
2024-12-13 22:33 Norman Wilson
2024-12-17 0:21 ` andrew
2024-12-13 22:57 Norman Wilson
2024-12-13 23:19 ` Larry McVoy
2024-12-13 23:38 ` Warner Losh
2024-12-14 0:53 ` Larry McVoy
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