From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7173 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2022 20:43:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Aug 2022 20:43:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3774340139; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:43:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.kaybuena.com (rrcs-71-42-153-194.sw.biz.rr.com [71.42.153.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20B7D40135 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:43:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [192.168.147.6] (4dot2 [71.42.153.195]) by mail.kaybuena.com (8.17.1/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 279Kh4IP1963523 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2022 15:43:04 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 15:43:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.1.1 Content-Language: en-US To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <20220809174232.A882C18C08A@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <20220809184910.GC21168@mcvoy.com> <092e2eda-9b02-39a9-9de3-8343cd337d78@earthlink.net> <20220809190028.GD21168@mcvoy.com> From: "Charles H Sauer (he/him)" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (mail.kaybuena.com [71.42.153.194]); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:43:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID-Hash: 776GJPCOTPDMNIDRVZ7RDEO3WZV2NLMB X-Message-ID-Hash: 776GJPCOTPDMNIDRVZ7RDEO3WZV2NLMB X-MailFrom: sauer@technologists.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] mainframe $ budgets [was Re: Re: SNOBOL and RATSNO List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Early on in my career at IBM Yorktown, ca. 1976, I was submitting many long running simulation jobs to the 360/91 there. At one point, the head of computer systems (I.T. if you will) wrote to the head of computer sciences (my department) complaining that I had just spent $50K over some short period, asking if this was justified. My management shrugged it off, encouraged me to continue what I was doing. I might still have the letter somewhere. A couple of years later, while on the faculty at U.T. Austin, one of the main budgetary items in research grant proposals was purchase of mini-computers, assuming those were a more efficient use of funds than paying for time at the campus computing center (then using CDC 6600 and successors). COFF? Charlie On 8/9/2022 3:19 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > Computing budgets were tiny: You had only so many $$$ for your runs and > if you made > too many, you'd run out of $$$ before you were done (more applicable as > a student than > as a professional post school though). Consequently your time was > plentiful and > computer time was scarce. -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ Facebook/Google/Twitter: CharlesHSauer