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From: usotsuki@buric.co (Steve Nickolas)
Subject: [TUHS] Mach for i386 / Mt Xinu or other
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 20:05:03 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.02.1702202000580.41003@frieza.hoshinet.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1487635966.58ab85fec0716@www.paradise.net.nz>

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017, Wesley Parish wrote:

> I think we can lay a lot of the blame for that major annoyance on the 
> two related facts:
> a: there is no universal windowing system everybody adheres to, just two 
> major commercial ones with spin-offs for smartphones and the like;
> b: a lot of Linux developers are chasing MS Windows in hope of desktop 
> market share and copy MS Windows features and misfeatures.

I don't disagree.  But I think there is a universal system, although it 
has been left to crumble to dust over the years, and having been picked up 
it still needs a lot of work to be usable in the 21st century.  That would 
be CDE - I'm not aware of any other X Window environment that made it into 
any versions of the Unix standard (iirc it's part of "Unix 93 
Workstation"?)

> A major irony is that MS Windows itself has chased Linux somewhat on the 
> graphical user interface front - Linux was the platform of GUI redesign 
> for OLPC and Android, Microsoft took the bait and tried it as a desktop 
> in MS Win 8.0 and got slammed for it.

A tablet environment doesn't work very well on a desktop, although a 
desktop environment can work reasonably well on a tablet (been there done 
that; I have a Windows 10 tablet).

> Setting out standards for a herd of cats is not much of an option; the 
> best one could do is publish RFCs giving a list of features that have 
> been proven to work in practice and hope for the best.
>
> Wesley Parish

Herd of cats sums it up nicely.

At least CUA makes a reasonable baseline, and most open-source GUI 
environments and programs seem to support that, as have Windows and OS/2 
since almost the beginning.

-uso.


  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-21  1:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-16  7:28 [TUHS] Mushi and Bagu Rudi Blom
2017-02-16  9:36 ` jsteve
2017-02-16 10:42   ` Nick Downing
2017-02-16 13:49     ` Rudi Blom
2017-02-17 11:30       ` [TUHS] Mach for i386 / Mt Xinu or other jsteve
2017-02-17 14:22         ` Clem Cole
2017-02-17 16:13           ` Chet Ramey
2017-02-17 14:29         ` Clem Cole
2017-02-17 17:23           ` Warner Losh
2017-02-18 22:25           ` Nemo
2017-02-19  6:20             ` jsteve
2017-02-19  7:01               ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-19 13:46                 ` Jason Stevens
2017-02-19 15:44                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-20 18:14                     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-20 22:24                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-20 23:16                         ` Steve Johnson
2017-02-20 23:18                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-20 23:25                             ` Steve Johnson
2017-02-20 23:20                           ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-21  0:12                             ` Wesley Parish
2017-02-21  1:05                               ` Steve Nickolas [this message]
2017-02-21 10:30                         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 13:47                           ` Random832
2017-02-21 15:18                             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 15:54                               ` Diomidis Spinellis
2017-02-21 16:38                                 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-02-21 16:48                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 16:32                               ` Random832
2017-02-21 16:55                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 17:10                                   ` Dan Cross
2017-02-21 19:44                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 21:17                                       ` Dan Cross
2017-02-21 21:37                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22  8:57                             ` jsteve
2017-02-22  9:56                               ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-22 10:26                                 ` jsteve
2017-02-22 10:29                               ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-19 21:19               ` Clem Cole
2017-02-20  0:29                 ` Nick Downing
2017-02-20  1:58                   ` Clem Cole
2017-02-20  1:29                 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-02-19 22:59               ` Derek Fawcus
2017-02-17 15:47 Atindra Chaturvedi
2017-02-17 16:55 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-17 20:04 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-19  5:48 Jason Stevens
2017-02-20  6:38 Rudi Blom
2017-02-21  4:16 Doug McIlroy
2017-02-21 12:02 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-21 12:24 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-02-21 12:57   ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-21 15:02 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22  1:50   ` Dan Cross
2017-02-22  2:25     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-22  3:11     ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22  4:07       ` Dan Cross
2017-02-22  4:17         ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-23 15:31           ` Nemo
2017-02-23 16:00             ` Clem Cole
2017-02-23 16:50               ` Nemo
2017-02-23 22:02               ` Dave Horsfall
2017-02-24  1:30                 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-24 20:54                   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-02-24  1:01               ` Jason Stevens
2017-02-22 10:16       ` jsteve
2017-02-21 15:15 ` Chet Ramey
2017-02-21 16:47 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 18:58   ` Clem Cole
2017-02-21 19:21     ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 20:17       ` Clem Cole
2017-02-21 20:28       ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-21 20:32         ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 22:58           ` Wesley Parish
2017-02-22  1:19             ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22  9:00             ` jsteve
2017-02-22  0:52   ` Andy Kosela
2017-02-22  1:04     ` ron minnich
2017-02-22  1:33       ` jason-tuhs
2017-02-22  3:18       ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22  3:45         ` ron minnich
2017-02-22  4:06           ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22  4:11             ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 16:25 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-21 21:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-21 23:10 ` Nick Downing
2017-02-21 23:14 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-02-22  1:22 Rudi Blom
2017-02-22  3:08 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-02-22  3:51 Rudi Blom
2017-02-26 18:33 Norman Wilson
2017-02-28 20:26 ` Dave Horsfall

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