From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: usotsuki@buric.co (Steve Nickolas) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 20:05:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] Mach for i386 / Mt Xinu or other In-Reply-To: <1487635966.58ab85fec0716@www.paradise.net.nz> References: <52c439ec481a196ab88d8a85cd4b1c69303fe5bd@webmail.yaccman.com> <1487635966.58ab85fec0716@www.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Feb 2017, Wesley Parish wrote: > I think we can lay a lot of the blame for that major annoyance on the > two related facts: > a: there is no universal windowing system everybody adheres to, just two > major commercial ones with spin-offs for smartphones and the like; > b: a lot of Linux developers are chasing MS Windows in hope of desktop > market share and copy MS Windows features and misfeatures. I don't disagree. But I think there is a universal system, although it has been left to crumble to dust over the years, and having been picked up it still needs a lot of work to be usable in the 21st century. That would be CDE - I'm not aware of any other X Window environment that made it into any versions of the Unix standard (iirc it's part of "Unix 93 Workstation"?) > A major irony is that MS Windows itself has chased Linux somewhat on the > graphical user interface front - Linux was the platform of GUI redesign > for OLPC and Android, Microsoft took the bait and tried it as a desktop > in MS Win 8.0 and got slammed for it. A tablet environment doesn't work very well on a desktop, although a desktop environment can work reasonably well on a tablet (been there done that; I have a Windows 10 tablet). > Setting out standards for a herd of cats is not much of an option; the > best one could do is publish RFCs giving a list of features that have > been proven to work in practice and hope for the best. > > Wesley Parish Herd of cats sums it up nicely. At least CUA makes a reasonable baseline, and most open-source GUI environments and programs seem to support that, as have Windows and OS/2 since almost the beginning. -uso.