* [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? @ 2017-07-27 15:58 Random832 2017-07-27 17:13 ` Paul Winalski 2017-07-27 23:08 ` Steve Nickolas 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Random832 @ 2017-07-27 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) There is a character in the terminfo/curses alternate character set, ACS_LANTERN, which is mapped to "i" in the VT100 alternate grapical character set. This character is, in fact, on a real VT100/VT220 (and therefore in most modern terminal emulators that support the full ACS), "VT" (in 'control character picture' format, along with HT FF CR LF NL). The ASCII mapping uses "#", and some CP437/etc mappings map it to the double box drawing intersection character. Was there ever a real 'lantern' character? The manpage mentions "some characters from the AT&T 4410v1 added". What did it look like? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? 2017-07-27 15:58 [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? Random832 @ 2017-07-27 17:13 ` Paul Winalski 2017-07-27 23:08 ` Steve Nickolas 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Paul Winalski @ 2017-07-27 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw) I don't think there wasn't any character called 'lantern' on the real VT100. As you said, the code displays as the "VT" glyph when the DEC Special Graphics character set is selected. The VT100 User's Manual doesn't mention 'lantern' anywhere. -Paul W. On 7/27/17, Random832 <random832 at fastmail.com> wrote: > There is a character in the terminfo/curses alternate character set, > ACS_LANTERN, which is mapped to "i" in the VT100 alternate grapical > character set. This character is, in fact, on a real VT100/VT220 (and > therefore in most modern terminal emulators that support the full ACS), > "VT" (in 'control character picture' format, along with HT FF CR LF NL). > The ASCII mapping uses "#", and some CP437/etc mappings map it to the > double box drawing intersection character. > > Was there ever a real 'lantern' character? The manpage mentions "some > characters from the AT&T 4410v1 added". What did it look like? > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? 2017-07-27 15:58 [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? Random832 2017-07-27 17:13 ` Paul Winalski @ 2017-07-27 23:08 ` Steve Nickolas 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Steve Nickolas @ 2017-07-27 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 27 Jul 2017, Random832 wrote: > There is a character in the terminfo/curses alternate character set, > ACS_LANTERN, which is mapped to "i" in the VT100 alternate grapical > character set. This character is, in fact, on a real VT100/VT220 (and > therefore in most modern terminal emulators that support the full ACS), > "VT" (in 'control character picture' format, along with HT FF CR LF NL). > The ASCII mapping uses "#", and some CP437/etc mappings map it to the > double box drawing intersection character. > > Was there ever a real 'lantern' character? The manpage mentions "some > characters from the AT&T 4410v1 added". What did it look like? > I thought it referred to character 127 in CP437? -uso. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? [not found] <mailman.1.1501207201.1295.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> @ 2017-07-28 11:46 ` Paul Ruizendaal 2017-07-29 7:06 ` Alan D. Salewski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Paul Ruizendaal @ 2017-07-28 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw) > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 11:58:38 -0400 > From: Random832 <random832 at fastmail.com> > To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? > Message-ID: > <1501171118.69633.1054588920.11864815 at webmail.messagingengine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There is a character in the terminfo/curses alternate character set, > ACS_LANTERN, which is mapped to "i" in the VT100 alternate grapical > character set. This character is, in fact, on a real VT100/VT220 (and > therefore in most modern terminal emulators that support the full ACS), > "VT" (in 'control character picture' format, along with HT FF CR LF NL). > The ASCII mapping uses "#", and some CP437/etc mappings map it to the > double box drawing intersection character. > > Was there ever a real 'lantern' character? The manpage mentions "some > characters from the AT&T 4410v1 added". What did it look like? There's two references in the termcap manpages: http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/man/terminfo.5.html and http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/man/curs_add_wch.3x.html The second link mentions that the AT&T 4410 terminal added this glyph in the location of the VT100 VT glyph. Apparently what it looked like is lost, unless someone finds a detailed 4410 manual (or has a working one in the attic). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? 2017-07-28 11:46 ` Paul Ruizendaal @ 2017-07-29 7:06 ` Alan D. Salewski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Alan D. Salewski @ 2017-07-29 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3635 bytes --] On 2017-07-28 13:46:40, Paul Ruizendaal spake thus: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 11:58:38 -0400 > > From: Random832 <random832 at fastmail.com> > > To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org > > Subject: [TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is? > > Message-ID: > > <1501171118.69633.1054588920.11864815 at webmail.messagingengine.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > There is a character in the terminfo/curses alternate character set, > > ACS_LANTERN, which is mapped to "i" in the VT100 alternate grapical > > character set. This character is, in fact, on a real VT100/VT220 (and > > therefore in most modern terminal emulators that support the full ACS), > > "VT" (in 'control character picture' format, along with HT FF CR LF NL). > > The ASCII mapping uses "#", and some CP437/etc mappings map it to the > > double box drawing intersection character. > > > > Was there ever a real 'lantern' character? The manpage mentions "some > > characters from the AT&T 4410v1 added". What did it look like? > > There's two references in the termcap manpages: > http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/man/terminfo.5.html > and > http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/man/curs_add_wch.3x.html > > The second link mentions that the AT&T 4410 terminal added this glyph in the location of the VT100 VT glyph. Apparently what it looked like is lost, unless someone finds a detailed 4410 manual (or has a working one in the attic). > The wecho_wchar(3ncurses) page[0] on my Debian box happens to mention the following[1] in a discussion about incorporating Unicode support: <quote> · The lantern is a special case. It originated with the AT&T 4410 terminal in the early 1980s. There is no accessible documentation depicting the lantern symbol on the AT&T terminal. Lacking documentation, most readers assume that a storm lantern was intended. But there are several possibilities, all with problems. Unicode 6.0 (2010) does provide two lantern symbols: U+1F383 and U+1F3EE. Those were not available in 2002, and are irrelevant since they lie outside the BMP and as a result are not generally available in terminals. They are not storm lanterns, in any case. Most storm lanterns have a tapering glass chimney (to guard against tipping); some have a wire grid protecting the chimney. For the tapering appearance, ☃ U+2603 was adequate. In use on a terminal, no one can tell what the image represents. Unicode calls it a snowman. Others have suggested these alternatives: § U+00A7 (section mark), Θ U+0398 (theta), Φ U+03A6 (phi), δ U+03B4 (delta), ⌧ U+2327 (x in a rectangle), ╬ U+256C (forms double vertical and horizontal), and ☒ U+2612 (ballot box with x). </quote> [0] From a version 6.0+20170715-2 of the 'ncurses-doc' package: $ man -aw wecho_wchar /usr/share/man/man3/add_wch.3ncurses.gz $ dpkg -S $(man -aw wecho_wchar) ncurses-doc: /usr/share/man/man3/add_wch.3ncurses.gz $ dpkg -l ncurses-doc | grep '^i' ii ncurses-doc 6.0+20170715-2 all developer's guide and documentation for ncurses [1] Which, AFAICT is a recent addition to the page, documented by the below NEWS file entry: <quote src="http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/NEWS.html#index-t20170506"> 20170506 ... + improve discussion of line-drawing characters in curs_add_wch.3x (prompted by discussion with Lorinczy Zsigmond). ... </quote> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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