From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 188e7570 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E38149BCCD; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:14:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B639B885; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:14:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 69C479B885; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:14:20 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 534 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:14:16 AEST Received: from frieza.hoshinet.org (ks3374089.kimsufi.com [37.187.103.66]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DFC946B9 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:14:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by frieza.hoshinet.org (Postfix, from userid 1005) id B87291C8C79B; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 06:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frieza.hoshinet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8EE1C8C798; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 06:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 06:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Nickolas X-X-Sender: nicci@frieza.hoshinet.org To: Doug McIlroy In-Reply-To: <201910120442.x9C4ggMF021949@coolidge.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> Message-ID: References: <201910120442.x9C4ggMF021949@coolidge.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] What was your "Aha, Unix!" moment? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sat, 12 Oct 2019, Doug McIlroy wrote: > For a contrast in aha moments, consider this introduction to > an early Apple (Apple II, I think). > > When my wife got one, my natural curiosity led me to try to > make "Hello world". > > I asked her what to use as an editor and learned it all depends > on what you're editing. > > So I looked in the manual. First thing you do to make a C program > is to set up a "project", as if it was a corporate undertaking. > > I found it easier to write a program in some other editor than > the one for C. Bad idea. Every file had a type and that editor > produced files of some type other than C program. > > After succumbing to the Apple straitjacket, I succeeded. > > Then I found "Hello world" given as an example in the manual. > The code took up almost a page; real men make programs that > set up their own windows. > > Aha, Apple! Not intended for programmers. > And that didn't change until OS X. > > Doug > That sounds like Macintosh rather than Apple ][. -uso.